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Notability

I don't mean to be crude, but have we just created this wiki page solely because the band died in the tragedy in Sweden? If they were not notable in life, there is no reason why this page should be considered notable in death 46.235.152.120 (talk) 11:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, in life they fail WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Their death has run-og-the-mill coverage, and is the only thing covered in reliable sources. Thus, I don't believe that they are notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does look that way but there will be people who will look this group up on account of hearing about them in the news. I certainly did. Plus they may well be editors out there who where planning to create this page but were just waiting for the group to get a little more notable. We will never know now but it probable worth leaving this here for a little while just to see if they do become notable after death. For now R.I.P. Viola Beach. WyrmVane (talk) 12:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know there will be, but that's not what Wikipedia is for. The only coverage is of their deaths, which doesn't make them notable. All of the coverage is run-of-the-mill for any British people who die tragically abroad. It's a recentism, and eventually someone is going to get this article deleted. I'm only not doing it right now out of respect for them, RIP. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. The band may not have met the notability requirements yesterday, but now there are reliable sources providing ample material for a band biography. Some newspapers already have separate articles describing the band and their music - e.g., The Mirror, The Independent. There's plenty of material about the band available, independent of information about the crash. They are notable. Cmeiqnj (talk) 13:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Cmeiqnj. Their sad deaths are the lead story on the Guardian website at the moment, so the band is evidently notable. Ericoides (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, the coverage they have received about their deaths is enough to guarantee them notability under WP:BAND criteria #1 Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. Iwill re-edit the article to empahsise this in the first paragraph (Assertion of notability) and then tag the article as a stub. 2.26.165.64 (talk) 15:29, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-crash coverage:

Fences&Windows 19:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison Case: The New York Dolls after the death of Billy Murcia

Point of comparison - although they obviously went on to do other stuff to make themselves Wiki notable, The New York Dolls first bit of notability would have been the media fuss resulting from the death of their first drummer Billy Murcia. If Wikipedia had been around in late '72, that's when they would have got their article. 2.26.165.64 (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a textbook case of WP:1E. Their deaths are the only thing generating this coverage. Perhaps this discussion should be moved to AFD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Like I've been trying to tell people in my edit summaries, it's the coverage itself that makes them notable. Because of the media coverage, they do technically pass WP:BAND criteria #1 Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. That's what's preventing the likes of you Ad Orientem from swooping in and pushing for deletion. 2.26.165.64 (talk) 18:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just find some reviews of their work aND add them to the article. Abductive (reasoning) 18:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Here's one from last year Warrington band Viola Beach set to clean up at Reading and Leeds Festival Abductive (reasoning) 18:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And an interview with the Liverpool Echo from November. Cmeiqnj (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As of right now, I am seeing little coverage that would satisfy GNG (in depth coverage from multiple reliable sources) when you take out the 1E stuff. The first linked article above might qualify but the second looks pretty run of the mill to me. In addition we need to be mindful of WP:NOTNEWS. Yes, there have been some cases where articles that were mostly generated by a single event passed, but those are, or should be, exceptions to the rule. This is a band that if not for the circumstances surrounding their death would likely be non-notable. Almost all of the coverage has been related to their deaths. The argument for notability here looks pretty weak. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominate it for deletion if you like. I expect the discussion will be closed within the hour, and it won't have been deleted. I'm watching the BBC News channel right now, they're reporting that there's a campaign afoot to get one of their songs to number 1. Cmeiqnj (talk) 19:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think this Viola Beach should probably stay, as it will likely be relevant to several related, and admittedly morbid, categories - musicians that died young, britons that died abroad, and those that died in car incidents involving bridges.Waynehfitzgerald (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discography?

Musical style etc. This is Paul (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2016‎

Been added 2.26.165.64 (talk) 16:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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