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User:Steel1943/WikibreakSwitch

Happy New Year, Steel1943!

Happy New Year!

Steel1943,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 02:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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Happy New Year, Steel1943!

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Steel1943,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 11:21, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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Fangusu IP

Put up an SPI on the IP at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Fangusu Meters (talk) 02:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. You probably edit conflicted with me on the SPI. I'm going to add the diffs for the original edits just to cross the t's. Meters (talk) 02:40, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Spyro (series)

I thought you had reverted me on the main article. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Drmies: No worries: it seems that we both had some errors there. But, in regards to your question about the IP: I don't suspect that editor is a sock of Fangusu since the content of the edit is so different than anything Fangusu and their socks have done. Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Bastard honey

Moved to Draft talk:Bastard honey#Draft:Bastard honey

I'm glad you saved this. Has anyone found sources to add so we can move it to mainspace? @Anna Frodesiak: Viriditas (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You know, that isn't honey. That is sugar with food colouring. It has wasp hive paper and moss glued on it. A total scam. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The uniform coloring and moss sort of gives it away. Do we have an article on food hoaxes or adulteration we can merge it to, or should the draft page created by Steel1943 simply be deleted now? @Anna Frodesiak: Viriditas (talk) 23:23, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess some of the text (not the lead, obviously) could be used to describe it and could be added to some article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Counterfeit consumer goods has a little blurb about the problem with honey in the US, but nothing about China. Which reminds me, there was a series of articles several years ago about the problem with verifying the ingredients in commercial honey, so I think there's room for a larger article on the topic if we don't already have one in the honey topic series. It's a pretty serious issue, and I seem to recall regulatory agencies throwing their hands up in the air and saying there wasn't much they could do. Viriditas (talk) 23:55, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Both Nike and NBA are both spelled a little wrong and both are on a single pair of shoes. That is what first tipped me off.
Could this honey be considered a counterfeit? There is no real thing it is claiming to be. As for China coverage, I should stay out of that. By the way, we have honey shops here with honey on tap. Not sure if it's real. There are always zillions of bees in the place trying to steal it back. They don't seem upset and are very good sports about the whole thing. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right, but wasn't he claiming it was "wild honey"? Maybe deletion of the draft would be best for now, with a user space backup for future use if necessary. Viriditas (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

January 2016

Information icon Greetings. Some of your recent edits, including ones you made to/regarding Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2016_January_5#File:Levofloxacin-black-box.png, do not appear to be civil toward other editors. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to (re-?) familiarize yourself with our policies and guidelines. In particular, it's relevant that WP:CIVIL says, "Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, ... to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions."You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. --Elvey(t•c) 14:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Elvey: I gave you a rather clear "reader beware" warning at the beginning of the statement before I stated the rest of it. That, and if you considered what I said "uncivil", you must really have a low threshold for what you consider "uncivil". I would recommend you take a little while to step back, recompose yourself, and then discuss your stance productively rather than repeatedly attempt to derive information from people (such as myself) which they have made it super clear that they don't have ... since that is disruptive. Steel1943 (talk) 14:52, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Elvey, I appreciate your passion for that image but please, you're in a hole and should stop digging. Steel said nothing uncouth; au contraire, your persistent questioning is rude: those questions were asked and answered. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You still claim to be unable to answer a single one of those questions? You are clearly unwilling to do so. I do not believe you are unable to to so. Information you don't have is CLEARLY not required to be responsive to even a single one good-faith questions I asked. --Elvey(t•c) 15:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Diff showing the questions were answered, please, Drmies. There's a followup, but it contains ZERO answers to the questions. --Elvey(t•c) 15:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No diff necessary, only eyes that can see. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So where is the answer, for example, to the last question, namely "Are you willing to do that?" It doesn't exist, Drmies. I call your bluff. Diff or ****. --Elvey(t•c) 15:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Watch what you're saying, with your ****. No bluff. If you insist: [1]. I do note that you're badgering every single one of the participants at that discussion; one wonders if you really want to keep that file (and win the argument) or if it is something else that excites you there. Drmies (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I reject this diff you proffer ([2]) is indeed a second bluff/cop-out. It's a diff that covers (many edits by many editors) over a 5 day period. Now you're being uncivil too. AGAIN: In particular, it's relevant that the policy page WP:CIVIL says, "Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, ... to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions."--Elvey(t•c) 17:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Elvey: Besides the fact that I told you multiple times that I do no have an answer to your question in the way which you seem to be requesting, your persistence to uphold some policy to put your point of view above all others' is ridiculous bureaucracy to a point where you yourself are harassing other editors, and at this point, you have done this to multiple editors. So, in a nutshell, I would recommend that you stop throwing boomerangs and drop the stick. Steel1943 (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ALSO: Stop your violation of the [one forum at a time for a dispute] principle. Let the XfD run its course.--Elvey(t•c) 15:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Elvey: So ... you are saying that bots cause WP:FORUMSHOP violations? I'm pretty sure bots like that would be blocked on sight. Steel1943 (talk) 04:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Elvey: This level of ignorance on your part is quite astonishing. Funny thing is that I thanked HyperGaruda after they posted their comment, and I'm saying this since I now feel like I am required to tell you for some reason. Hope that fulfills whatever need you have to satisfy your validation. Steel1943 (talk) 04:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

permission for images without copyright?

A happy new year to you as well.

Please note my response and request for correction regarding your post on my page. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I added a new image to take the place of the one discussed above. The new one is displayed to the right.

I am hoping that this will solve the OTRS tag issue noted above. It looks as if attention is needed to make sure the image file is adequate, please advise. I'll be glad to make any adjustment needed. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That messy, sticky honey

It is now at User:Viriditas/Bastard honey. I've moved it there in good faith per discussion without leaving a redirect. I hope that's okay with you. Sorry for all the trouble, my friend. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No thanks needed. I'm happy it worked out. Thank you for being so cool about the whole thing. :) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:UNFOC small.jpg

Hi, thanks for the help with file permissions on Ukrainian National Federation of Canada.

How do I delete the file from Wikipedia, I will seek the copyright holder of the true logo, the one used is a reproduction.

Thank you. Wikiworld2 (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Photo of Erin Markey

Hi ... regarding your message about the Erin Markey photo, I have contacted the photographer and asked whether he will permit the use of the photo in the article. Perhaps this will resolve the issue. Thanks.

DeRossitt (talk) 14:50, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Steel1943. Thank you.

This is just so you know. A troll has been blocked; you can safely ignore this. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, well, good. For what it's worth I prefer your interpretation of WP:BANREVERT (and would redirect WP:NOPE there just for edit summaries, but would probably be reverted) and I wish that more people respected enforcement of the ban policy. But I think you knew that about me already. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: FWIW, Wikipedia:NOPE has only 21 links. With that small amount of links, I'd nominate it at WP:RFD just to see what happens. Steel1943 (talk) 20:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notice about 沙盒

@BDD, Ivanvector, and Tavix: You may be interested in what I wrote at User talk:Deryck Chan#Regarding your close for 沙盒. In a nutshell, I created Template:Editnotices/Page/沙盒, and it works. (I know it is odd that I am pinging you from my talk page to look at someone else's talk page, but I thought it would be more appropriate here.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:127.0.0.1 revert

Ah, thanks. Makes sense now. It popped up on my radar when a brand new account Localhost (talk · contribs) created a user page that was simply a redirect to that article. Thanks for correcting my error. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 19:07, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I originally thought it to be a simple Milton Berle reference, but it turns out his fans spell it Uncle Miltie. Oh well. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 00:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

About hero and heroism and heroine

Hi Steel, Thanks to you for inform me about procedure in the English wikipedia. I'm French native speaker with lot of difficulties to understand bureaucratic explanation. Could you please help me by starting the discussion to dicide or not moving hero to heroism that's a question of gender equality and the desire created by an off line meeting. See this post for more information. Thanks a lot in advance and welcome to me if you need any help in French wikipedia or French project. Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 15:32, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Lionel Scheepmans: No problem. But, as you probably know, consensus for changes on an individual Wikipedia need to be made via the community on that Wikipedia, thus why I reverted that move. I may try to find a way to better simplify the "move vote" in that discussion. And thank you for your offer for assistance in the French Wikipedia: I may not necessarily need assistance there since I myself don't speak French, but I may need your help someday if I need help verifying possible issues with interwiki links between English and French articles. Steel1943 (talk) 03:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are very welcome Steel1943 and thanks again for your attention. Lionel Scheepmans ✉ Contact (French native speaker) 10:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:RGJAY Logo.jpg

I don't get it. Now I uploaded it as PNG file but it is still appearing as jpg file. Mobile or browser issue may be. Please help me to fix it and upload low resolution file so that some other user do not raise objection in future. Thanks. AbhiRiksh (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

真是個好主意！

What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
For this elegant solution to a difficult cross-namespace-foreign-language redirect situation. Kudos! Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an orphan but part of an article struggling for acceptance Cyber Defense Labs (AFC namespace). I can have the copyright holder send an email giving permission for wikipedia to use this logo if you like. Where would that go ?

DrSchlagger (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DrSchlagger: If the draft becomes a published article, then the file can be used there. However, if the draft does not become a published article within a week, the file will be deleted. If that happens, you can re-upload the file when the draft becomes a published article. Steel1943 (talk) 02:45, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where would you a notification of permission to use sent from CDL? That way it would not need the article tag to remain in place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrSchlagger (talk • contribs) 02:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


According to Kevin Henson of Cyber Defense Labs the CDL logo is now part of wiki commons. DrSchlagger (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @DrSchlagger: I saw that file was uploaded by Kevinmhenson. However, the consent process on Commons would still probably need to be done there. Since it is s company logo and possibly unique enough for cooyright, the fact that he may be the copyright holder for the logo needs to be verified. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


I just dropped him an email and asked if he would take care of it. I asked him if it was ok to do a wikipedia article on his company before I started down this path. DrSchlagger (talk) 06:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image of Dallon Weekes

Hi there! I recently responded on the talk page of the file and updated the part of summary on the file that you said failed (WP:NFCC#8), and would like an update on the status of the image that I uploaded. Thanks! --"Hey there! How's it goin'?" 01:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image usage Laugh Track

Hi - I noticed some of the images that were removed from the Laugh track article and I want to understand the logic behind it. I see the reference to WP:NFCC#8 - Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. Please help me understand why including these images (which are already used elsewhere) does not help increase a reader's understanding of this article's topic. It strikes me as a matter of opinion, meaning the inclusion of a title card could act as a point of reference for one reading while not making a difference to another. In particular is the removal of the image of Charles Douglass, the inventor of the laugh track. There is no logical reason (in the alternate world of Wikipedia or otherwise) why one would not include a picture of the inventor in his own invention. Please advise. 66.161.120.11 (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DJ DX

Hello Steel

You edited a photo that i took for my personal artist and Model DJ DX violation why? I placed the copyright permission for the photo correctly and i don't understand why it will be deleted. Can you please get back to me asap about this so i can fix whatever errors there may be so there isn't any future deletions? The Files from our site says the copyrights share and fair use at the bottom. This seems to be a mistake and i would like for someone to fix it or please contact me here. This file is on the site: DJ DX photographed in The Mana - August 2015.jpeg it appears on officialdjdx.com which is our website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinylstars (talk • contribs) 00:54, 23 January 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

  • @Vinylstars: The problem with photo file is that it has already been published somewhere else: your web site. If the file has been published elsewhere, then in order for the file to remain here, Wikipedia needs to verify that you are the copyright holder. In the notice I sent you, there is a link for the way to get in contact with our OTRS team to verify the file's permission to be released here under a free license. Steel1943 (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Yunnan Hongtu Airlines logo.jpg

Hello, I have made an svg file out of this logo and made the background transparent. But I cannot upload it as the file extensions are different (jpg vs svg). Do you know how to do this? Thanks - Sunnya343 04:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

(9338)1991FL4, etc.

Do you have a list of all of these without spaces that you created?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  04:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Tom.Reding: Found it ... (here). As I stated in your nomination of the other redirects, 3.5 years ago, I thought all CamelCase redirects were useful, and it looks like I did that for a few days. Steel1943 (talk) 04:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks for that.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  05:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP / Wikipedia

Hi, why did you do this? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: Considering that I already made the previous 5–7 edits on the template (I've already been tweaking it some, so might as well tweak it as much as possible), in templates, I try to avoid namespace shortcuts in case for some technical reason, the namespace shortcut either becomes disabled or stops working. If this happens, then less-technical editors and readers would be presented with a failed link and no clear way of finding the correct target, especially if the link is piped (as that one is). So, insurance. (If you look at the template's edit history, I was the editor who implemented the namespace shortcut in the first place, so I'm changing my own edit.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP: isn't a namespace shortcut, it's a namespace alias, built into the MediaWiki software. The likelihood that it will stop working is so extremely remote that the demand for immediate fix would be huge. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Redrose64: Well, whatever it technically is, my opinion still stands. And yes, I am aware that the likelihood of it happening is next to none, but after I witnessed the title blacklist fail for the better part of two days about a year ago, I figure it's better to be safe than sorry with anything on here that involves some sort of technical connection powered by MediaWiki software. Steel1943 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Uploads by User:Westside20

Apparently user Westside20 has no idea of how copyright works. All its uploaded files were tagged with "public-domain". SLBedit (talk) 18:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fangusu

Please lift the ban. I bear no malice towards anybody. I did not mean to sock prior to the ban. I really did forget to log in at those points of time. Also, I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, so please try to make accommodations.

I am asking you very politely and nicely to do the above favors.

Sincerely, 172.58.17.158 (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So called wikibreak

Well, only 7 months, nowhere near a year. Please be nice and accurate. Deryck C. 19:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Deryck Chan: I rounded to the higher 6-month period. Also, I respect what you stated in your closing statement, but with all due respect, with how long I have been dealing with this nominator in regards to this redirect, I really don't need a demand to be courteous to that editor. They surpassed my threshold for courtesy after the 2nd DRV. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support

Peacemaker67 RfA Appreciation award
Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lc merge

Hey Steel1943. What's the status of the {{Lc1}} → {{Lc}} merger? I know you think it's an uncontroversial merge, but BAG would like to see a TfD. If you aren't going to move forward, I'm going to withdraw the BRFA. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:18, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @JJMC89: The request isn't waiting for me. As far as I know, I was the last editor to say something in the request, and the idea of an TFD was scrapped. In all honesty, I'm waiting for a bot approver, such as The Earwig, to continue conversation in your BRFA. Steel1943 (talk) 06:06, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJMC89: I just saw the conversation from who I guess is another bot approver. I have responded. Steel1943 (talk) 06:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. We'll see what happens. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:17, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Hypericum annulatum in rocky habitat.jpg

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will look for another alternative. What should be done now, as the free-use of the image is contested, but I agree with it? Fritzmann2002 13:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jehoash Files

Steel, based on your lack of further comment, may I assume that you agree that, for the reasons stated in the discussion page, use of these images in Wikipedia is proper under US copyright law? PraeceptorIP (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:The Pond (term) concern

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Redirect categorization

Hi Steel1943! You've been interested in redirect categorization and the This is a redirect template in the past, so I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion at Template talk:This is a redirect#One parameter that might interest you.  Good faith! Paine  21:13, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A polite request from Fangusu

Please let my edit request on Talk:Yoga Pants stand. You have not explained its flaws to me. Also, I have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. Can I please be exempt from Wikipedia's BANREVERT rules as well as the standard offer rules? 172.58.32.177 (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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