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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Rklawton (talk | contribs) at 17:37, 20 August 2006 (if it's well known, then you'll have verifiable sources; emphasis added). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Yellow Pigs Day

... and yet another thing made up in school one day. Less than 500 Google hits, many of them mirrors. It may be "real" in a few people's minds, but it's not real notable, and it really doesn't rate an article in an encyclopedia. Rklawton 22:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep - 34 year tradition, apparent cult following, and noted in 5 (at least) external sources. Seems notable to me. --Daniel Olsen 00:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • External links are not references. These indicate that quite markedly. The Hampshire College Summer Studies in Mathematics pages, for example, say nothing at all about what a Yellow Pig Math Day is, and provide nothing to substantiate any of the content of this article. The Jargon File entry for "random numbers" doesn't say anything at all about Yellow Pigs, also, but simply gives a link to the one of the same web pages given as external links here. The Everything2 node at least mentions Yellow Pigs. But if you actually read the entire article, down to the bottom, you'll see that it cites the very same web site as the Jargon File links to as one of its two sources for information, the other being the second external link given in this article. In fact, everything here appears to rely upon those two web pages as their sole sources. Uncle G 14:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commentary on external sources:
    1. link: some guy's home page. Not notable.
    2. link: some girl's home page. Still not notable.
    3. link: Hampshire College Summer Studies in Mathematics. Exceedingly local.
    4. link: another nobody's web page. Yawn.
    5. link: now this is interesting. It explains that the originator is actually not a notable mathematician. Rklawton 00:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I would not consider any of the above links to be reliable sources. Specifically they mainly fall under the category of Self-published sources. I would be happy to change my opinion on this article if other sources can be found, otherwise I am left to think it is just a small group of people who are aware of and participate in such a thing. DrunkenSmurf 00:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Yellow Pigs Day is an inside joke and a geek holiday (and thus would be unlikely to have reliable sources), but it is real, it does have history, and it is reasonably well-known among young mathematicians. In addition, Yellow Pigs Day and HCSSiM are very closely linked (Yellow Pigs Day is a big event at HCSSiM) and although HCSSiM gets only about a thousand Google hits it is nevertheless one of the largest summer math programs for high-schoolers. It may not be a mainstream article, but I feel it to be important enough in its community to warrant being in an encyclopedia. Qqwref 06:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please note that User:Qqwref has approximately two (or maybe four) edits to Wikipedia. Rklawton 16:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If something has no sources, then it is unverifiable and doesn't belong here. Wikipedia articles must be verifiable by editors and readers. You've just told us that this article very probably isn't, and have thus made a strong case for its deletion, even though you have put the word "keep" at the start of the paragraph. If you want to make a case for keeping this article, please cite some actual sources. Uncle G 14:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - First: HCSSiM is HARDLY "exceedingly local"; this year, its students ranged from China to California to Atlanta to New York. Second: HCSSiM is a 34-year-old program; let's estimate it to have taken, on average, 40 students a year throughout its existence. (This is a bit low; the program accepts around 40 per year now, but in the past there were closer to 60 per summer.) Then there are at least 1300 alumni of the program who should be familiar with Yellow Pigs Day. Finally, while David Kelly is supposedly a "non-notable mathematician," there is a Wikipedia article on him, and I'd argue that he's notable for creating one of the longest-running math programs for high school students, out of which several notable people emerged. --Fermatprime 12:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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