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The rulers of Dir originally held the title of Khan but from June 1897 onwards were styled Nawab Khan Bahadur of the Tanoli tribe. The royal status of the rulers was abolished in 1972 at the same time as most other princes of Pakistan.

Tenure	Rulers of Dir
Unknown dates	Gholam Khan Baba
Unknown dates	Zafar Khan
Unknown dates	Qasem Khan
1863–1874	Ghazzan Khan
1875–1886	Rahmat Allah Khan
1886–1890	Mohammad Sharif Khan (1st time)
1890–1895	Mohammad `Omara Khan
1895 - December 1904	Mohammad Sharif Khan (2nd time)
December 1904 - February 1925	Awrangzeb Badshah Khan
February 1925 - 9 November 1960	Mohammad Shah Jahan Khan
9 November 1960 - 28 July 1969	Mohammad Shah Khosru Khan
28 July 1969	State of Dir dissolved

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2015

Please note the following request about Tanoli while updating on wikipedia:

1] In 1752, the Tanolis allied with the Afghan Emperor Ahmad Shah Abdali and took part in military conquests, including the Battle of Panipat in 1761, under their chief Zabardast Khan Tanoli who was given the title of “Suba Khan” by Ahmad Shah Baba for his bravery. In the 18th and early 19th century, two of the main Tanoli clans, the Hindwal and the Pallal, fell into a feud and had a bitter struggle between them. The Hindwal clan gradually began to gain ascendancy, and Mir Painda Khan of the Hindwal clan successfully united all Tanolis into one entity, which eventually became the princely states of Amb and Phulera. The Amb State lasted until 1969, with its primary capital at Darband, and summer capital at Shergarh. The construction of the Tarbela Dam reservoir in the early 1970s submerged Darband, a capital of the former state of Amb, underwater.

202.61.52.148 (talk) 09:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 12:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry but there seems to be some confusion about this 'zabardust tanoli' and another person who wasnt a Tanoli. Zabardust Tanoli DID NOT fight at Panipat in 1761. He entered afghan service later in 1775-1776, and was acting governor of the upper Hazara region. Please see https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabardust_Khan . There was another 'Zabardast Khan' a, Pathan , who actually fought at Panipat in 1761, and he had no connection to Hazara or the Tanoli tribe. Pl see https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabardast_Khan This confusion is commonly made. Hope this helps clear it up a bit. Regs, 39.54.177.195 (talk) 08:00, 9 October 2015 (UTC)Col (r) Mumtaz Khan

Note for Record

A user named Situish is consistently distorting the factual information regarding Tanoli Tribe which is neither supported by the Tanoli Tradition nor by the conventional as well as contemporary writers considered experts in the Afghan History . All such citations are being deleted in a phased manner declaring them unreliable. This practice is likely to ruin the whole article and the article may become redundant . The Wikipedia is to take note of it. Fahad AKM (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Fahad AKM Im sorry I must differ with you on this point- Sitush is a very senior and knowledgeable editor at Wikipedia and I think all his edits, here on this page, have been extremely accurate and useful. I must also add that there is some confusion as to the actual origins of the Tanoli, with many of them espousing the theory that they are of Turkic (Barlas) origins and some,more recently, claiming Pashtun origins. I have also removed an unreliable source cited here , as that is an Urdu volume by A Sadhroi, self-published by the writer, in Lahore, Pakistan; and in no way is that writer either an expert or scholar of this subject. It must please be borne in mind that there are strict Wikipedia guidelines regarding what is or is not reliable sourcing in Wiki articles; and I hope you will please try to accept and follow these properly thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 11:19, 3 October 2015 (UTC)Prof AsadUK200

What we don't need are good editor of Wikipedia but those with historical and geneological insights into the wider Pashtun history, Hazara tribal knowledge and connected with the Tanolis, Tanaolies, Tanawalis, Taniwals and Tanis. Please also take the history of the leading Tanoli families as well as the ruling family i.e. Nawabzada Salahuddin Saeed Khan whose interview appeared in the international Herald, published from Karachi in which he clearly declared his family to be Pashtun. Furthermore the article also included the possibility of some of the clans of Tanolis as being either Barlas or Karlugh Turks given that before the arrival of the Tanolis a contiguous area i.e. Agror Valley was ruled by them and then they were ejected by Syed Jala Baba, son in law of the last Turk sultan, who in turn were ejected by the current Khans of Swati Pashtun origin. The Karlugh Turks are still residing in Behali village in Hazara. I know members of their family in Pakistan and the UK as well as the other leading Khwanain Tanoli families including the Nawabzadas. Over the years we had arrived at a comprehensive and balanced article but those with bias and vested interests see hellbent on ruining this important Martial Race of the Hazara region. Therefore, a renewed effort to go back to the original sources and bring some semblence of sanity back here. Those interested in doing this contact me and lets get this article back on track. Moarrikh

I also want to know who A sad in UK is and what discipline he is a professor in - seems a a sad depressive to me.

No. If you try to do this then you will find yourself blocked from contributing You are not allowed to co-ordinate your efforts in this manner. And you must follow consensus regarding verifiability, reliable sources, conflicts of interest etc. Wikipedia does not exist to promote the claims of a community. - Sitush (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I have removed a merger template that proposed erroneously to merge this with an article on the Yusufzai Pashtun tribe; whereas there is certainly no connection at all between them and Tanolis. I have also removed false statements which are falsely ascribed to some sources and I have once again corrected the introduction/start of this highly contentious article. I dont know why people have so many fundamental complexes about their origins and keep on adding and readding fale information to show/pretend to be what theyre not. AsadUK200 (talk) 15:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)AsadUK200

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2016

The Tanoli (Hindko language|Hindko/; ) might be a Pashtun tribe, connected to the larger Ghilji confederacy of the Pashtun people.JW Spain 'The Pathan Borderland' 1969 edThe Tanolis mostly inhabit the Tanawal Valley in the eastern part of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, which they took over around the 14th century and named after their tribe. Although Tanawal is today part of the Hazara division of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, in the past its larger portion comprised the two semi-independent native states or principalities of Amb (princely state)|Amb and Phulra, ruled over by Tanoli chiefs of the same family, from about the 1840s to 1969. Prior to that, the area or 'Ilaqa' of Tanawal remained an independent tribal territory from around the 14th to the 19th century.Dr Sher Bahadur Panni, "Tarikh i Hazara" (Urdu) 2nd ed. pub. Peshawar, 1969, pp. 103-122 The English writer Charles Allen (writer)|Charles Allen, citing from a draft manuscript written by James Abbott (Indian Army officer)|Major James Abbott at the British Library, London, writes that the Tanolis were "extremely hostile, brave and hardy, and accounted the best swordsmen in Hazara".

Tanolis (talk) 19:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: It is not clear what you are suggesting to change. Please clearly and specifically state which sections you are seeking to change or add content to, and provide sources for each change. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)