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PKK rebellion casualties

Your last edit removed properly sourced information and its sources. Original Turkish claim [1] for 5,300 included both dead, wounded and captured. Not just dead (who were estimated at 3,583). The third party (ICG) referred to the entire conflict. (We are obligated to include neutral third-party estimates beside the beligerent's claims) The Turkish military [2] at the start of March gave a substantially lower toll of 1,250 since July for the entire conflict area (southeast Turkey). So both tolls need to be presented. Hope this has cleared everything up. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 06:35, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you read my previous message and edit summaries, but still, I am going to leave you this new message in regard to your last edit. The WSJ [3] clearly states and I quote More than 350 members of Turkey's security forces, at least 300 Kurdish militants and more than 200 civilians have been killed since July, according to the International Crisis Group, a nonprofit group that analyzes global conflicts. Furthermore, when looking at this link [4] (directly from the ICG) it clearly says and I quote Around 900 people, including 350 members of the security forces. Looking at the larger version of the report it also identifies another 250 of the dead as civilians. Per WP:CALC we can estimate 300 dead are militants (which is backed up by the WSJ which explicitly states this). This issue had already been discussed at the talk page (please look it up) and, per WP policy of citing secondary sources (WP:SECONDARY) as the WSJ, editors were in agreement that its clearly cited that per the ICG 300 PKK died. Second, as I previously explained, the original Erdogan claim [5] of 5,000+ included both dead, wounded and captured. Not just dead (who were estimated at 3,583). Western sources incorrectly cited him of claiming 5,000 dead, when he was actually referring to all types of losses among the PKK. Finally, again as I previously explained, the Turkish military [6] at the start of March gave a substantially lower toll of 1,250 since July for the entire conflict area (southeast Turkey). So both tolls need to be presented. EkoGraf (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]