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Penny Adkins birth date

Since there is a dispute between some about when Adele's mother was born, it should be discussed here. The newspaper supplied as a reference suggests that she was born late 1969 or 1970. Wikia does not contradict this either. However assuming that she was born in England, the birth registry shows a PENNY SUSAN BROOKS ADKINS registered in ISLINGTON 5C 936 in December 1968. I do not think that we need to include this information. But we should be able to resolve this via discussion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for talking here. We do want Wikipedia to be accurate, and there then is a problem where sources contradict each other. It is even possible that someone does not actually know how old or when their mother was born exactly. The newspaper sources we can be sure are talking about the right person. But the registry records are not certain to be the correct person. Perhaps the birth was never registered. (although here you can't go to a school without it). Perhaps she has changed name from birth till recently. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, what is going on with this? Someone fill me in. --XenaDance-- (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC) --XenaDance--[reply]

The other person involved is User:RyanTQuinn who is supporting the c1970 date based on another newspaper article http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/music/3473210/The-truth-behind-Adeles-struggle-to-stardom.html which says she was 18.5 at birth of Adele. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First point, no more database nonsense. That can apply to anyone that has the same name. It is non specific. Only sources that refer to the person in question can be used. The best source to date is Wales Online. It has "Evans left when Adele was two, leaving her 20-year-old mother to raise her". An 18 year age gap, hence circa 1970 birth of her mother. The Daily Mail (fail) is not a reliable source. Neither is The Sun (which the Data junkie sent me in some bizarre attempt to show a 1968 birth....when it states "22 year old Adele and her 40 year old mother")...again (if only the Sun was reliable) it shows an 18 year gap, thus circa 1970 birth. Celebs now is not a reliable source. I will gladly support a 1968 birth if a reliable source states that. None have. My last edit summary reads as follows; "Not leaving this nonsense sitting like this; "Adele born in 1988, mother Penny born 1968, Evans left when Adele was two, leaving her 20-year-old mother to raise her. Anyone reading this will give up". The article is killed in the first two sentences as it stood previously. Use the talkpage before changing the article to a nonsensical state.RyanTQuinn (talk) 20:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The age of the mother is not essential to this page so any mention of it should be avoided while ever there is no consensus here. It adds very little by its inclusion and, if it is uncertain, it is detrimental. Btljs (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So how about we remove it? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did. I'm just trying to discourage anyone from putting it back. Btljs (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it's not a necessity, especially when we have nothing conclusive and just contradictory sources.RyanTQuinn (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's nonsense when it comes to being used in an encyclopaedia. A database is non specific. I was in the same classroom with someone who shared the same name. A non specific database wouldn't clarify which is which. While that name in the Companies House link is highly likely to be Penny Adkins the mother of Adele Laurie Blue Adkins, it's not conclusive. You gave a different name in that other database where she had a middle name (Penny Susan Adkins, which he's tried to insert despite the consensus being against doing so). Any doubt it doesn't get in. Furthermore it's not essential. RyanTQuinn (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
a child born out of wedlock to a 19 year old mother who goes on to be a successful ... is quite an achievement despite her adverse beginnings and estranged family life. She was born in 1988 not 1888! No, it's not relevant, not notable, based on circumstantial evidence and adds absolutely nothing to the value of this page. Do people even say 'out of wedlock' any more? The only salient fact is that her father left when she was young. Btljs (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't have put it better myself. On the out of wedlock thing, I don't think it is a phrase that gets used all that often now because it's no longer a stigma, or even unusual, for one to have parents who are unmarried. I must say that the user's desire to include this information, and the lengths to which he/she is going in order to "prove" its worth, are beginning to border on the obsessive. This is Paul (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we've all been there haven't we? You get drawn into a passionate argument on some esoteric point and suddenly you realise your life is passing by... Btljs (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed, although I must confess to now feeling a bit guilty that Data Junkie removed all their comments following my post. I was really just trying to make the point that life really is too short to worry about the small things. This is Paul (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Donald Trump

I guess we should mention this somewhere. Adele had issued a statement distancing herself from US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump after he started using "Rolling in the Deep" as a warm-up song at his rallies. It could be mentioned either here ar at Rolling in the Deep. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I wouldn't give Trump the Oxygen of mentioning him on any Adele page. If it mentions Rolling in the Deep on his page, put it there. Btljs (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in an ideal world I wouldn't either, but since it's happened... Apparently it's not the first time either, as there was a similar dispute with Aerosmith. There is a Media usage section in Rolling in the Deep where it would be appropriate, so I've added a short paragraph. If anybody disagrees then feel free to remove it again. This is Paul (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
According to this he's been using "Skyfall" as well, and a whole bunch of other stuff, without the permission of the artists concerned. This is Paul (talk) 23:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EDUCATION ,BACKGROUND AND REAL VOICE

Its interesting that there are few details about her scholarship to The Brit School for the Performing Arts. This is a top quality prestigious school ,and very selective because free. The abscence of any real information suggests a desire to play down her educated background and reinforce what some may regard as the almost desperate attempts to nail her into a stricly working class context which is so important for popular success today particularly in class ridden Britian. She sings with a perfect imitation of a black African American and speaks in a strange accent called cockney but not like any cockney Ive heard..On some interviews her accent varies from educated middle class to cockney.. She is obviously a very intelligent talented woman so one wonders what she really sounds like in real life. She is married to an old Etonian ...Even her mother is described as connected with adult education without saying she is probably a teacher..I always think its sad that the realities of successful entertainers lives are so often misrepresented .Does anyone know what she really privately sounds like ? Her son will go to an expensive private school possibly eventually Eton..Since children copy their parents voices wiil her son grow up speaking cockney at Eton? User:176.63.176.218 00:06, 18 February 2016

Please comment on the page rather than the subject. Btljs (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vogue interview

I included a quote from an interview in Vogue. The quote was removed by @RyanTQuinn:; no reason, however, was given--which is not a proper way to edit Wikipedia. I have restored the quote, which is obviously important: the quote states what she believes her purpose is in her life. If anyone believes that the quote should not be there, explain why.
EllieTea (talk) 15:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect it was removed because of the way in which it's been added. As it appears now it doesn't really add anything to the article other than to state that she said something, and having a list of he said/she said quotes can be counterproductive. Might I suggest making the information a bit more relevant by adding it to the the paragraph that talks about her son/family life, which would seem to make sense then. Just a thought. This is Paul (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and tweaked it a bit, and think it works better now. @RyanTQuinn:, @EllieTea:, let me know what you think. This is Paul (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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not a Cockney

The article states Adele speaks with a cockney accent. She doesn't. Cockney is an East End accent. Adele has lived in north and south London. Her accent can be described as a London accent, but not as cockney. 109.154.116.143 (talk) 14:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You might like to check out our Cockney article, in particular the opening paragraph:

The term cockney has had several distinct geographical, social, and linguistic associations. Originally a pejorative term applied to all city-dwellers, it was eventually restricted to Londoners and particularly to the "Bow-bell Cockneys": those born within earshot of Bow Bells, the bells of St Mary-le-Bow in the Cheapside district of the City of London. More recently, it is variously used to refer to those in London's East End, or to all working-class Londoners generally.

I suppose it all depends on how you want to apply the term. She is not from the East End, nor was she born within the sound of Bow Bells, so wouldn't be a cockney in that sense, but she is a working class Londoner, which means the term can be applied. Do we have a wider term for a London accent? They are all quite different, depending on what part of London the person hails from. Any other thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The term London accent redirects to Estuary English. Should we use that instead? This is Paul (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Telegraph describes Americans being beguiled by her north London accent. This is Paul (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like the use of cockney because it has such a specific geographical connotation. It's been used by Americans as an equivalent of meaning a London accent, but I don't think you'd find too many Londoners calling her accent cockney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.116.143 (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Having done a bit of research into the topic I agree it's not an appropriate term, so I've changed it to London accent, linking the term to Estuary English, and added the Telegraph article as a source. This is Paul (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Something useful

Something useful, just in case we haven't got it already. There's a lot of good stuff in here. About her background, the people behind her, etc. This is Paul (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request on 26 March 2016

Revert to previous edit of 04:04, 21 March 2016

The revision by Anky chastller, on 09:23, 26 March 2016‎ should be reverted as it doesn't make sense!

In the first paragraph this text should be removed:

"She is one of the worlds biggest pop singer right now with several Grammys and an Academy award.she raised to this fame with only 3 astonishing albums."

Dogs

One of the key attributes of a person is their choice of dogs. I understand Adele is a fan of Dachshunds which automatically makes her an awesome person. Every BIO should include dog preference.

If you can find a source for it then you could add it, I guess. Not sure how important it is in the context of things, unless she happens to be a dog owner, but even then... This is Paul (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2016

CRap — Preceding unsigned comment added by RONNN (talk • contribs) 13:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2016

CRap

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