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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Third album ?

This is Bjork's third studio album. She created an album in the late 70s in Iceland under this name. Please don't change it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was referenced as her second album by every music publication back in 1995 as well as the label and the artist herself. There's an official album count, why we should ignore it and "invent" our own ? If to include her juvenilia album in the count, why not to include Selmasongs album as well ? My apologies but any count except official is a secondary/alternative opinion. Official count is a primary opinion. You cannot ignore the primary opinion completely and force the alternative opinion to be the only opinion presented at Wikipedia. Some articles from 1995: The Face, Rolling Stone, MTV Online, NME. Shimenawa (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Björk has acknowledged the 1977 album as her first release in various occassions, for example, in an interview with Politiken in 1995. Her official website also: link. And major publications as well: Request, Now, The Guardian, Record Collector, Blue Jean. An annotation could be added to adress the confussion.--Bleff (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The fact 1977 release is acknowledged as first still doesn't affect the official album count and doesn't give us the right to alter numbering. All her subsequent albums after Debut were consistently numbered as 2nd, 3rd etc without taking the juvenilia record into account. We all know her latest Vulnicura was officially 8th, not 9th. None of original official sources support wiki's alternative numbering (funny, two of the publications you have linked count Debut as 3rd, counting Gling-Glo in ;-). It just shows how any alternative numbering is irrelevant). Yes, Björk may call her child album as first, yet she actually named Debut as her first in that Blue Jean interview above. She also clearly said "My first album didn't come out until I was 27" here. This official label statement mentions the juvenilia record as first album and on the same page it calls Debut the first international solo album. Is there anything against Wikipedia rules in my offer to present both official and alternative numberings on her pages nicely ? Shimenawa (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think both points of view should be acknowledged in the articles. --Bleff (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i will add referenced explanatory sentences to the body, i think Release section fits the best. Regarding the lead section, as i understand it should be unreferenced. Then Andrzejbanas blamed my previous attempts to be complicated, so the shortest solution i can think of is "third (officially second)". However, Andrzejbanas have also offered to remove mention of third/second from the lead completely. Do you have an opinion on what should be in the lead ? Shimenawa (talk) 10:07, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shimenawa I don't think "a studio album" is a good option for the lead. It's just so vague and imprecise... Pedro u | t 16:10, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's better than misleading "third album". I thought this solution may please most people. What your solution could have been ? I can offer "the second (technically third)" or just "the second solo album". Maybe "the third (officially second)". I'm Ok with any of them, although personally i would use "the second solo album", since alternative point of view is explained in Release section. Shimenawa (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What about putting "third album", and clarifying it via footnote? The Template:Refn, for example. --Bleff (talk) 18:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]