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Rodeo cattle

Proposing that the new article Rodeo cattle be merged into Rodeo. Tim Pierce (talk) 00:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there really any information worth merging? - Josette (talk) 03:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not much, but there sure isn't enough information for its own article. :-) Tim Pierce (talk) 04:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't agree more. ;) - Josette (talk) 04:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems there's been a consensus to merge the article, but nothing has been done. I'll go ahead and be bold now... Steven Walling 21:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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References

Montana, posting here after seeing the post at ANI. References such as http://www.collegerodeo.com/ (NIRA) and Animal Welfare: Animals in Rodeo (among others) are still bare URLs because they provide nothing but a URL and (maybe) a title. In order to allow people to rescue these references in case the reference goes dead, at minimum an access date, date of publication (if available), and publisher/host should be included. I agree with Lisa about the inconsistent citations as well, partially because of the numerous BURLs mixed with well-formatted citation templates, but also because the article mixes SFN with citation in the #References; all books should be in the "Sources" section, in my opinion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there are issues and inconsistencies. This is an older article that has had a lot of different people working on it over the years, and it has had periodic problems with being a controversial topic and contains a few carefully crafted compromises that ended some nasty edit wars (It was also the article that busted the ItsLassieTime sock farm). However, this will take a LOT of hours to clean up and mad drive-by tagging and a partial fix of bits and pieces just creates more confusion. I told that editor to take this to talk at least three times in edit summaries and she instead chose to go to ANI, so I'm not in the best mood at the moment. I also am not in the mood to drop all my other projects and work on this article just because someone noticed it needs to be cleaned up. If they want to clean it up, great, I'm all for it if they do it right. But it is not helpful to do it partway, tags at the top aren't going to help, and it's especially problematic to toss out links to google books, as we are still using those online sources as the article gets worked on -- an IAR situation. If a team wants to work on actually fixing this stuff, great; but do it right and do it with consensus... sigh... Montanabw(talk) 04:36, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Understood. I'll see if I can do a bit later (at least move the books into the Sources section)... but, as you know, this is well outside my normal subject area. Thus, I may make mistakes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll keep an eyeball on the subject matter, always glad for technical help. I ran reflinks again and it finally decided to fix more of the BURLS. BTW, on the topic, just reread [1], [2] [3], and [4] and in the google books listed in this article, so far this article is in flux and it is helpful to have the link to the entire book. I would not want them removed - where multiple pages are cited, it is klunky to ref each page with a url when the book is online and all pages cited are in the scan, at least. And, I think, some of these books haven't yet been worked into the text yet anyway. Montanabw(talk) 04:59, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I got you started here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated, but now it looks like a source or two got unhooked from footnotes when made into a sfn, can someone dig that one out and put it back? This is one of those "every damn things needs to be sourced because some idiot will claim it's controversial" articles.  :-P . And your country knowledge is just fine, we still see pickups with that very bumper sticker! I simply choose to avoid certain topics ... LOL! Montanabw(talk) 22:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Montanabw: Here is a couple of problems with your latest revert.
1. You said above, to Crisco 1492 about hooking source in the article. But then, you remove "Move page to footnotes" comments. Make your decision: Do you or do you not want them hooked into the article? Or are you assume I mean "cut the page number and put in some place random"? Well, I don't.
2. A carriage return between two * characters breaks the list into two lists. That gives you HTML problem on some browsers with source hooking. (Scroll Into View API.) That's why I broke $lt;-- and --> between the two lines and no carriage returns before and after them. (If you have good eyes, you could see the list inflating between edits.) If you are using one the five major web browser, inspect the syntax with Developer Tool.
3. When I added "incomplete data" note, I do mean that it can be completed to the extent that it exists. I just need to hunt them down. Although it wouldn't help if I instead have to write this message.
4. Your comment removal was unclean. There are leftovers.
Oh, and by the way, I am curious: Is there some literary figure in your conversation above that I don't understand, or are you guys just being macho?
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lisa, I didn't "revert" a damn thing, I edited. Learn the difference. Also watch your own assumptions and assume good faith yourself next time will you? Yes, I am female. And you just pissed me off again with your assumptions, particularly given I am a feminist and have a lot of dedication to the elimination of systemic bias on wiki. Yes, Crisco and I were making some gentle jokes about country music and joking about rodeo stereotypes (I'm a fourth-generation Montanan and at least a fourth-generation horse-person, I can joke about such things) Criminy... and once again, just quit it with the "I am going to tell you what you did wrong in a condescending tone" thing. Just fix it or take a look at the final edit, maybe I fixed it after I commented here. and...
  1. I removed the ":move page to footnotes" comment where the footnote already contained the page number. It was not needed, as the fix was made. Obvious
  2. Yes, I left over some hidden text, I figured you needed it for some reason, I deleted the empty comments with nothing in them. Looked fine in my browser, you don't need consensus for futher minor cleanup.
  3. And just keep shoveling! Do you know how insulting your remark ""If you have good eyes" is to me? GOOD GOD! Actually, GUESS WHAT!!!! YES!!! My eyesight is actually quite poor, I am legally blind and have a surgically repaired detached retina, due to which I am now developing a cataract! THank you SOOOOO Much for pointing that out! Shall I just stop editing wikipedia now and have them trundle me off in a wheelchair? I'm over 50 also, want me declared senile to boot! Please, just keep laying on the insults and bad faith. Or grow up. Montanabw(talk) 21:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi
1. Irrelevant. Re-read my message again.
2. That wasn't what I was referring to. You have left < and > at the end of some sentence.
3. "If you have good eyes" is a very common expression used to attract the attention to a fine detail that requires attention more than good eye sight. Apart from that, I don't have good eyes too. Aberrant astigmatism, corneal transplant on left eye when I was a teen. Can't use glasses; contact lens is the only solution. 80% of human population has eye problems. So, they could very well use a conditional "if you have good eyes".
Although I do not comment on the contributors in discussions, this time it is becoming necessary: You are not female. You said it once and I didn't buy it. Women may weaponize their femininity, but never their gender. They do not fail to (or feign failure to) recognize an Orwellian allegory of stale metaphor. They do not feign stupidity, because unlike men, they never consider brute force an option. In addition, all you have done so far in your communications was argumentum ad hominem. From the very beginning, it was obvious that you do not care for a discussion at all. That's why I went to WP:ANI. If you don't want my help, fine. I'll stand down, wait till the article go to FAC, then I mention these problems there. Enjoy.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 00:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, man. He is on his own. I am separating my way. Unwatching this page. If you need me, you know where you can find me. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 01:28, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of sourced material

RexxS, you followed me from a talk page debate to this article and reverted me. Stop stalking me, it's creepy. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 14:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove the reference to Dr. Miller's book? The pro rodeo site may not meet RS, but that did. Also, the stuff cited to the pro rodeo site could easily be found in a newspaper or some secondary source. It's better to find an independent source than remove facts. White Arabian Filly Neigh 15:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Spacecowboy420: When you remove relevant, reliably sourced information from an article, you are guilty of vandalism. It is normal for editors to review other editor's contributions when they leave the diffs to show them. Accusing me of stalking or hounding is a personal attack and leaves you open to sanctions. --RexxS (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This editor who removed the material appears to be a troll who has never edited this article. WP:DENY may be the best approach. Thank you RexxS and WAF for your help. Montanabw(talk) 22:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:White Arabian Filly, you're right. I did actually mean to only remove the reference lacking neutrality (pro-rodeo), removing the other reference was my mistake, of course I have no issue with neutral/reliable sources.
User:RexxS You changed the title of my edit on this talk page. I'm sure I don't have to mention "Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page." - but I will anyway.
User:Montanabw I'm sorry, but you shouldn't really try to dismiss everyone who does not agree with your content, or messages you [[5]] to request that you stop following them, with silly comments regarding trolling. This discussion wasn't about you, but you had to involve yourself in something regarding me, again. Enough is enough, I don't need a fan club.

Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:RexxS please stop. Basic wikipedia rules, you don't delete or change other's talk page comments. I'm sure you're a nice guy, so please don't push this any further and make my only option to be reporting you at ANI and request that they block you from editing. Just let it go. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removing personal attacks is a policy-based exception to refactoring talk page content, as you are already aware. This page is for the discussion of improvements to the Rodeo article. I'll see you at ANI, where you can explain your repeated removal of reliably sourced content and your repeated personal attacks on me. --RexxS (talk) 12:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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