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Started draft

Started reading about the story and was surprised nobody had created this yet. Someone had to, I guess. This is not an area I feel particularly comfortable writing in, so I'm going to add some content from some of the more mainstream sources and try to solicit some help. In the meantime, I'll leave it in the drafts space. The mainstream sources have not been kind to the film so far, and I don't want to publish something that could be more neutrally presented (or perhaps I've been too neutral per WP:FRINGE?). I've also not seen the film myself, and don't see sources with a suitable synopsis. Another reason to stay as a draft for now. If someone else wants to move it, you're welcome to. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Rhododendrites: It's probably a good thing that you haven't seen the film as it's probably a major waste of time, do you really want to watch conspiracy theory movies that promote fringe science? ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 14:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ThePlatypusofDoom: Well, whether I want to watch it (or ever intend to), isn't really the point. My point in mentioning I haven't seen it is to say that it's an article about a film, but most of the sources talk more about the general ideas it contains/promotes rather than the content of the film, so the "synopsis" section is lacking, and if someone else has seen it they may be better equipped to write it. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Climate Change Denial Documentary" is not an unbiased description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.220.240.10 (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that there was a weak consensus coming out of many related discussions favoring "climate change denial" vs. "climate change skeptic", so long as reliable sources support the former. I may very well be wrong, though, and there might even better ways to describe it. What would you recommend? About the former issue, I've asked at WP:FRINGEN. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you click "climate change denial", you're taken to a page that describes it as "unwarranted doubt". The producers of the movie, and the scientists they interview in the movie certainly wouldn't consider their own doubts unwarrented. So what is warrented or unwarrented is a matter of opinion. I would just remove the word "denial" from this sentence. The movie is a documentary. And it is about climate change. So "climate change documentary" should suffice, without taking sides on whether or not the doubts are warranted or unwarrented.

sources

As I mentioned above, I tried to stick to mainstreamish sources on this, omitting those with a known bias. I'm going to dump what I've come across here. Most are in that biased source category, but some might be useful. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:00, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Washington Times - ‘Climate Hustle’ debuts as skeptics take on global-warming ‘consensus’
  • Daily Kos - Climate Hustle Film A Welcome New Genre of Escapism Fantasy
  • Watts Up With That - My review: Skeptic Film ‘Climate Hustle’ to appear in theaters Nationwide one week from tonight
  • Climate Investigations Center - Climate Hustler Marc Morano Hustles Climate in New Climate Hustle Film
  • Greenpeace - Science Denial Movie “Climate Hustle” Is Just That
  • Raw Story - Big Oil-backed group promotes Sarah Palin and Bill Nye as part of climate change panel
  • Desmog - Marc Morano's Climate Hustle Film Set For Paris Premiere With Same Old Denial Myths
  • Desmog - Exclusive: Climate Hustle’s Marc Morano Turns Down $20k Global Warming Bets From Bill Nye The Science Guy
  • Daily Mail - Meet the man behind Climate Hustle, the film 'antidote' to Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth: Marc Morano worked for Rush Limbaugh, counts Sarah Palin as a fan and founded a site that questions man-made global warming
  • WND - 'Climate Hustle' will rock alarmists to their core
  • Daily Mail - 'A pretend scientist in a bow tie': Climate-change denying Weather Channel founder SLAMS Bill Nye for criticizing skeptical film 'Climate Hustle'
  • Jimmy Kimmel (YouTube)
  • The Blaze - Sarah Palin Warns Against Global Warming Political Agenda, Scientific Dishonesty During Movie Premiere
  • NewsBusters - Bozell Moderates Climate Change Panel as ‘Climate Hustle’ Premieres in U.S.
  • Breitbart - Climate Hustle: The Perfect Antidote To Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth

Production credits

Rhododendrites: Where are you seeing that Christopher Rogers was the producer? I don't see that in any of the current sources, but I wasn't sure what to change it to because they all say something slightly different. The NBC source says, "...Marc Morano, one of the film's producers...". Variety says, "The screening of the documentary, produced by Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow and Marc Morano’s ClimateDepot.com..." And USA Today says, "David Rothbard, the film's executive producer..." (Dissent dwindles on climate change By: Kim Hjelmgaard, USA Today, 2 Dec 2015). PermStrump(talk) 07:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Permstrump: I saw some competing bits of information in the secondary sources, too, so pulled it from the movie's website. Indeed forgot to add it as a ref. In there now. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Permstrump: Speaking of not finding things in the sources... :) I don't see anything in that NYT source that says it premiered in Paris? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:43, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rhododendrites: Oops I copied the wrong link somehow. Fixed it. There are a few other sources that talked about the Paris release in December, but didn't give a specific date. The NYT one says, "Mr. Morano said he planned to go on as planned with the premiere of his new film, “Climate Hustle,” at 7:30 p.m. on Monday at the historic Cinéma du Panthéon."[1] I admit there's a bit of WP:SYNTH involved in giving the date as 7 December 2015, because the date on this article is 7 December 2015, so I looked at a calendar of December 2015 to see when the next Monday was. It turned out that Dec 7 was a Monday, but I figured out it wasn't the following Monday (Dec 14), because this source is dated Dec 12 and it refers to the Paris premiere in the past tense. The USA Today source I mentioned above is dated Dec 2 and mentions the upcoming premiere without a date. Here's a link to the full text of that USA Today article. IDK what press reader is, but I found the full article in my library's database first and then the pressreader link when I googled the title. Idk why USA Today doesn't have that article online on their own website. Maybe it's too old? I'm really not sure, so I just wanted to mention it b/c idk if using the pressreader link in a citation would be a copyright violation. PermStrump(talk) 15:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Premiere is kind of a strong word (for any of the showings, including DC). They are all more like screenings. As far as I can tell, they screened it during the Paris summit in December. Then they had the big screening with the panel in DC on Apr 14. Apparently they screened it in Paris again on April 22[2] when the climate agreement was signed. And then there was a one-day nationwide screening on May 2. I'm about 99% positive about all of that. A lot of the sources are vague about dates and only one of them specifically said May 2 was a one day only screening. "The documentary created by the conservative think tank Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, will also be screened nationwide in a one-night engagement in select cinemas on May 2..."[3] WaPo said, "The answer is that they still draw significant attention — “Climate Hustle,” according to its producers, is slated to air at a large number of theaters across the U.S. on May 2."[4]. Per variety, "plans for showings at nearly 400 theaters on May 2,"[5] which is a little vague. PermStrump(talk) 15:18, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the Christian Science Monitor source also says May 2 was a one day event, "The two-hour long film is only showing on May 2."[6] I don't really care what wording the article uses, "premiere" versus "screening." So tbh, I'm not exactly sure what my point is. :) PermStrump(talk) 15:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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