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Precious

Bach cantatas
Thank you for your tireless work on the French Wikipedia, completing ALL Bach cantatas, constantly improving them and adding related articles, for your diligent corrections here, and for your smiles, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Thanks for your very, very kind words Gerda, I very much appreciate your delicacy, all the more so since it is unexpected and also not so common on Wiki where the nicest people sometimes have the unfortunate opportunity to meet not so nice people. I've been working (well, just translating after all) on the Bach cantatas for 16 months now and I understand there are still a strong 40 other ones in store... Kudos to the real work you deliver in creating ex nihilo all these pages, this calls for much more serious effort than just translating into French what already is existant.

And now I'm the distinguished holder of that blue Yogo sapphire decoration! How to stear jealousy on the French wiki where the blue sapphire title doesn't exist !

Fare well and bis bald Gerda ; LouisAlain (talk) 20:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, I lean on the French wiki a lot these days, please see if you could add to André Diot, there's more in his French article and French sources. - Look at the top at my talk: I miss the photographer of the sapphire, again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I've just added one line and one category from the fr.wiki; is that what you asked me to do? other than that your Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103 (congrats for the "good article") has now been entirely translated into French and I know I'm late for several other cantatas but I'm preparing to add to the French articles from yours; LouisAlain (talk) 22:13, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all of this! I am thinking of BWV 172 for GA now, one of my (and Bach's) favourites. (Wrong season but I dream of FA for it, - never did one myself.) - Did you know that a year ago, you were the 322nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Two years ago, you were the 322nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, - and the cantata appeared as TFA on the Main page for Pentecost. Working on BWV 243a, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your removal of two "dead" links.

My swift addition of two links.

Please read this. And if the Japanese language presents a problem, just leave links to Japanese web pages alone: if you think there's a problem, you're free to bring up the matter on the article's talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now that I look at your list of contributions, I see that you have an interest in Japanese photography. Moreover, Japanese photography beyond the tiny number of Japanese photographers who are (repeatedly and I think boringly) feted outside Japan. Excellent! I'm pleased to encounter you. I've just created an extraordinarily boring little article on Mikiko Hara; if you can add anything to that, it would be welcome. Oh, if you still have energy after fixing up fr:Shunji Dodo, then fr:Hiroh Kikai would benefit from attention from an authentic francophone. -- Hoary (talk) 14:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, your Mikiko Hara article has now a French version. I'll see what I can do with your French page dedicated to fr:Hiroh Kikai but already, kudos if you wrote it directly into French, you certainly qualify for an emeritus Ph in the French language! Thanks for passing by, LouisAlain (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, er, thank you. But I quote from it: Hatsugo no shūen (発語の周縁 ({{{2}}}, 発語の周縁?)). Guardian Garden (Ginza, Tokyo), juillet 2004. Which is hardly surprising, as the syntax of fr:Modèle:Japonais differs from that of Template:Nihongo2. (Here's the kludge. For a real fix, I think fr:WP really ought to have a corresponding Modèle:Japonais2 [whether called this or with some other name], but I'm not going to initiate this because I don't have the appetite for the discussions that are likely to arise about its initiation.) Meanwhile, you're also creating a lot of articles that start with:
Cet article est en cours de réécriture ou de restructuration importante (indiquez la date de pose grâce au paramètre date). Un utilisateur prévoit de modifier cet article pendant quelques jours. Vous êtes invité(e) à en discuter en page de discussion et à participer à son amélioration de préférence en concertation pour des modifications de fond.
Okay, but when is the réécriture expected to come, and from whom? -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kludge, I had no idea. It was badly needed
"you're also creating a lot of articles that start with:". Actually, I've just started this practise some days ago for somewhat "long articles" (yours in fact) with long lists which need to be meticulously checked. As a matter of fact, there aren't that many (1 or 2 to the maximum) and I complete them within hours or a couple of days. LouisAlain (talk) 09:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked!

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

LouisAlain (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

My IP has been blocked for some reason and the procedures to get unblocked are far too complicated to read and understand for non English speakers. If some sysop reads this... help will be appreciated LouisAlain (talk) 19:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

Editor was caught behind an IP range block. Should be ok now by use of "IP exempt". Sorry about the delay, I thought this was being taken care of yesterday. — Ched :  ?  18:48, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see a block here. Please post, below, the exact message you see when you try to edit. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are currently unable to edit Wikipedia.
You are still able to view pages, but you are not currently able to edit, move, or create them.
Editing from 88.190.0.0/16 has been blocked (disabled) by Elockid for the following reason(s):
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The IP address that you are currently using has been blocked because it is believed to be a web host provider. To prevent abuse, web hosts may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LouisAlain (talk • contribs) 21:07, 9 April 2015‎
@Elockid: Hi, the IP range you blocked don't belong to a hosting company anymore, it now belongs to a French ISP (Free). French contributors like LouisAlain can't edit on the English Wikipedia anymore now, can you unblock this range? Thanks. Thibaut120094 (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a message on Elockid's talk asking him to investigate. Hopefully he'll be able to sort this out soon. --RexxS (talk) 21:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just letting you guys know I'm looking at this now. Elockid (Talk) 22:15, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
RIPE still says that the range is allocated to Dedibox/it's still a hosting range. Based on previous technical evidence that I've seen, Free/Iliad does have some hosting ranges and they are pretty problematic. I could look into the adding IPBE to your account if that's what you want. Elockid (Talk) 22:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(watching) please just give IP block exempt to an excellent user who may not know what the letters stand for, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) IP-block-exempt is usually the simplest temporary fix for this sort of problem, Elockid. At least LouisAlain could get back to editing while the ranges are looked at. @LouisAlain:: You're not editing through a proxy of any sort are you? Could you perhaps tell Elockid who your Internet Service Provider is? You could drop a mail to Elockid to tell him if you prefer not to name them on-wiki. --RexxS (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I've just realized that today is the day when I've switched from fr:DartyBox to Freebox (both French ISP). Sorry for the trouble.
PS
Hi Gerda  : LouisAlain (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tristis est anima mea is melting under your smile ;) - want to translate that? BWV 165 - comments? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm... you knew I would succomb to your plea Gerda. Ok, ok, you win and fr:Tristis est anima mea (attribué à Kuhnau) will be completed by the end of the day. Unfortunately there will be a certain number of red links since the French Wiki has less articles on religion than the one in English. I'll add some of the missing parts of fr:O heilges Geist- und Wasserbad. (Other than that I'm still blocked -sigh-) ; LouisAlain (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nice that you are free again! The same thing happened to me Easter 2013, - my IP in a range block, I mean. Tristis can be much shorter than here, of course, and things which will not have an article fr should not get a link. I learned the piece first when my mother died. Promised to help with Maria Radner, so sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done! I'm still blocked, just using my former ISP for some remaining few days. HELP ! LouisAlain (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why the sysops here won't unblock an ISP IP range or give you the IPBE right... Thibaut120094 (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocked

I've flipped the switch on the "IP block exempt" thing ... I think you should be able to edit now. Not sure what the holdup was yesterday. Perhaps they're all looking at the "range" of IP addresses and forgot about you. Anyway - you should be able to edit now. — Ched :  ?  18:35, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it works now. Vielen Dank! LouisAlain (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked again!

Hi there,

I find out that I've been blocked until... 11 February 2019. Ouch! I can't even write to someone for help and can only hope somebody will read this message.

LouisAlain (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've notified Mike V who removed your IP-block exempt flag two days ago. --RexxS (talk) 02:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. After reviewing your account, it looks like you are using a web host to edit. If you disable the web host and edit through your normal service provider, you should not have any issues. S'il vous plaît laissez-moi savoir si vous souhaitez discuter de cela en français. Il a été un moment depuis que je l'ai utilisé, mais je ferai de mon mieux. Mike V • Talk 02:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Still blocked. I haven't changed a thing re my regular service provider and certainly am completely unable to tinker with anything associated with data processing procedures. The situation isn't absolutely desperate for me since I still can cut and paste on any other Wiki (French, Italian, Spanish etc.) but yet. And kudos for your French (you didn't even forget the circumflex on "plaît"!). Thanks for your efforts LouisAlain (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to get other checkusers to look into your case, so far without success. If your IP address is x.x.64.31, then it's simply a case of incompetence by the blocking administrator, because a reverse lookup shows it is a Freebox customer, not a web host.
Seems you're best option is to login from another computer and ask a competent admin (like Nyttend) to give you the IPBE right again. Prevalence 15:26, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

LouisAlain (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Request posted by Prevalence on behalf of User LouisAlain, since he no longer has access. As already stated elsewhere: :Block 88.190.64.0/24 is based on outdated RIPE info. Dedibox no longer uses the range, see previous section Blocked! on this page. The range is used by FRee SAS, and all hosts in that range have as host name ran75-5-88-190-64-xxx.fbxo.proxad.net, showing these are Freebox modems/routers. :Note: Perhaps some people think it's unlikely that RIPE would list the wrong company for the range. But Free SAS and Dedibox SAS (and the web hosting companies Online SAS and Iliad enterprises, and ISPs Alice ADSL and Iliad Free Wimax) are part of the Iliad group, and they all use the Iliad network Proxad. The contacts listed (admin-c, tech-c) are the same Free SAS/Proxad contacts listed for the whole 88.160.0.0/11 range, so these outdated entries make no real difference. You won't find any customers of Dedibox for the blocked range in RIPE, or any entries listing DEDIBOX-MNT as maintainer, unlike for example in the 62.4.23.0/24, which IS used by Dedibox. Prevalence 16:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

This seems to be a reasonable explanation. I've regranted IPBE for you, unless I am presented with a compelling reason to revoke it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, LouisAlain! Today's topic BWV 67, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hu ho... looks like I missed your return message Gerda. Sorry for that LouisAlain (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Only read your message today, good to see common sense finally prevailed. Welcome back. Prevalence 22:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Marguerite Aucouturier

Hi, I'm Nicky mathew. LouisAlain, thanks for creating Marguerite Aucouturier!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. add reference and expand the article

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Nicky mathew (talk) 03:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I've done a copyedit and found a reference, but it still needs more to meet WP:GNG. Louis, let me know when you need someone to look over your translations - even if I'm not around, one of my talk-page stalkers can probably help. I've also added Jacques Derrida's biography as a general reference to fr:Marguerite Derrida; if you have a moment, could you check that I've done that correctly? Cheers --RexxS (talk) 09:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RexxS, your addition is OK in the French page. Also, you must be familiar with the fr Wiki models indeed. Thanks for your proposal to help. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 09:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Mary Marquet

Hello, LouisAlain. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Mary Marquet, for deletion because it's a biography of a living person that lacks references. If you don't want Mary Marquet to be deleted, please add a reference to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on my talk page.

Thanks, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:03, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi, A biography of a living person who died 36 years ago? There must be some misundersting here... I see you haven't read my user's page. Just tell me how to indicate that this article is a translation of the French page, I don't know the models on the en Wiki. Oh, and I forgot to thank you for your nice welcome, LouisAlain (talk) 12:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's nothing personal, and Kudpung is an old friend of mine; it's just that the English Wikipedia seems a lot more strict about articles having references than the French Wikipedia. It was indeed a faux pas, but the intent was really to encourage editors to add some references, so I've added one to her obituary. That could be re-used to support more content translated from the French. The template you want is {{translated page}}. I've added it to Talk:Mary Marquet for you, so you can see an example for future - the version number, c'est l'"oldid" qu'on trouve dans l'url quand on suit "Adresse permanente" dans les "Outils" de l'article. Let me know if there are any problems. --RexxS (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks a lot RexxS, this is exactly what I was looking for. And kudos for the link to the INRA, this is the sort of things I'm unable to do. Just for the sake of information, on the fr Wiki the template is Template:Traduit de. Sincerely yours, LouisAlain (talk) 22:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, Louis, things happen. What I had intended to do was place a standard PROD on the article, not a BLPPROD. It is very rare that I make a mistake when patrolling pages, and the irony is twofold: I am the one editor/admin who has been campaigning heavily for years for better quality of patrolling new pages, and I'm also biligual French-English and do a lot of work trabslating French articles for en.Wiki. A PROD is not the end of the world, they allow 7 days for the issue(s) to be addressed and even if deleted can generally be refunded without too much fuss. My thanks to my very good friend and highly experienced colleague RexxS for putting things right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have now done the complete translation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:01, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, thanks for your intervention Kudpung, and maybe is it no coincidence that you are bilingual en/fr and "meet" me. Mary Marquet is actually the kind of article I intend to create, that is with an infobox, short or long lists of works by musicians, writers, creators etc. with one ou two introductory lines and the usual External Links, Sources or Further Reading, Authority control and al so that the articles are acceptable. Trying to do the part you did I could but it inevitably would need to be entirely rewritten and of course I don't want to add to the burden of those who will come after me. LouisAlain (talk) 07:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Cuny

Looks great! I've just fixed the date of death and added a citation from this book. Hope that's all OK. Blythwood (talk) 11:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind words; I should have been more vigilant re the dates template though, LouisAlain (talk) 11:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Roger Dallier

Hi, I'm The Pancake of Heaven!. LouisAlain, thanks for creating Roger Dallier!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. I saw your article, Roger Dallier, and noticed it needs more references. It's also a stub, would you mind adding more details about his personal life, he achievements, his work, and his 'death'? Thanks. Happy editing!

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. →The Pancake of Heaven! (T  • C  • E) 14:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pancake of Heaven!,

As you may have noticed, this is a translation of the French Wikipedia dedicated to a very minor figure in the history of French cinema. Apart from the info to be read on the sites referenced in the external links, I'm afraid it will be very difficult to find anything worth adding about that person. LouisAlain (talk) 14:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of François Prévôt-Leygonie

The article François Prévôt-Leygonie has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. JamesG5 (talk) 17:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisAlain:, please note that the template I placed is not a speedy deletion, it's simply there to let you know what needs to be fixed & give you, and other editors, a week to do it. The external link on the page, http://www.allocine.fr/personne/fichepersonne_gen_cpersonne=540661.html, doesn't meet WP:RS. It looks more like an IMDB type site. You'll need third party press coverage. Sources like these http://www.paris-normandie.fr/detail_communes/articles/5474861/montivilliers--du-theatre-le-vendredi-8-et-le-samedi-9-avril-salle-michel-henri#.Vwq01m7jKgU http://variety.com/2016/film/markets-festivals/snd-boards-romain-duris-the-confession-jean-renos-family-heist-1201673186/ would qualify, the material in them just needs to be worked in to the article. Hope this helps! JamesG5 (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the research, hope that "will cut the mustard" as you say... I'm not familiar with the procedures on the English WiKi. Since 5 pages already link to that one I though that was evidence enough that the newly created page wasn't a hoax. LouisAlain (talk) 20:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a hoax issue, it's been policy on the English page for some years that any WP:BLP must have at least one reliable source as a reference (rather than an external link). Other pages linking don't affect that. Glad to help. JamesG5 (talk) 20:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Prix du Brigadier

Hello LouisAlain,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Prix du Brigadier for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thursby16 (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't fit the CSD criteria, but it did need references. I've added a couple. --RexxS (talk) 22:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merci RexxS, LouisAlain (talk) 22:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edmond Crosnier

Thank you! for translating so many important articles from the French Wikipedia into English.

Regarding the article Edmond Crosnier, I suggest we rename it to François-Louis Crosnier. Although he used Edmond Crosnier as a pen name early on, his success as an author for the stage was limited. He became much more well-known as the manager-entrepreneur of the Opéra-Comique, where he apparently used François-Louis Crosnier for his professional name. (His father also adopted the spelling Crosnier to replace Croisnu.) There are several sources concerning the history of the Opéra-Comique (as well as the Opéra) that index him under "Crosnier, François-Louis", including one I have that mentions his birth name Croisnu and his early career as a dramatic author. I'll add a citation to this source to the article. --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thank you for taking the time to proofread the pages I awkwardly translate. Since you're much more educated in this field of 19th-century musical activities than I am, I leave it to you to change whatever you think needs to be fixed. I've changed the title as you suggested. LouisAlain (talk) 10:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say I'm terribly knowledgeable about these things, but I do have a few books in the area, and using the index can often figure a few things out. :>). Best, --Robert.Allen (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A request

Bonjour.

I notice that you have a lot of experience in translating articles from English to French. I was contacted recently by a British editor Richard Nevell (talk) who has worked on a very good article, Wressle Castle, that he thought I might be able to translate to French. However, I do not feel confident that my standard of written French would be sufficient. I wonder if it is a task that you could do. Emeraude (talk) 15:03, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
Thanks for thinking I could help but now I'm too much in the French-English process to reverse course. Yet, you may try a rough translation with the Google translate tool which usually performs a good deal of work and I'll make the needed translations and adaptation to the French Wiki templates, models, links etc. which are slightly different than the ones which are of use here. There are more categories in fr. Wiki and also the use of Portals is mandatory. I see on your User's page that

Cet utilisateur peut contribuer avec un niveau avancé de français

. The task shouldn't be unsurmontable tough.
The user Kudpung is bilingual and may help too. The first draft with Google translate can be done within minutes so the article by Richard Nevell may be avalable in French tomorrow.

Hope to hear from you soon, LouisAlain (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for having a think about this. Google translate has come a long way from where it used to be. Would it's translation be good enough for fr.wp? Richard Nevell (talk) 22:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) It's worth remembering that Google will translate the text of an article, but you still need to apply wiki-markup for headings, links, templates, etc. That process is best done by working on a draft on the French Wikipedia, where you can see what is a redlink and you have the appropriate templates available. I suspect that's a job for someone who knows their way around fr-wp, but you could make a start by using your sandbox fr:/Utilisateur:Richard Nevell/Brouillon to drop in the Google translated text. After that, it's interesting how many similarities, and how many differences there are! --RexxS (talk) 01:55, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm too busy to do the work myself, but it does seem that a collaborative effort is making progress. Well done everybody. Emeraude (talk) 07:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The translation is in the making, and should be completed within a few hours. LouisAlain (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately, my 'home' Wiki is the English Wikipedia so I only translate articles from French to English. Google is good, but it can never match the quality of the clean up by a native speaker that is always required . At en.Wiki we generally don't accept articles that are rough translations. We are even very critical of poor English from native English speakers and from former British and American colonies. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:57, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comédie en vaudevilles

Hi. Please be careful not to confuse Comédie en vaudevilles with American vaudeville. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that Comédie en vaudevilles is very different from vaudeville. Would you please try not to use the link for the former on your many pages about French playwrights? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fulgence de Bury

Hi LouisAlain, just wondering if you can check the death date in the article Fulgence de Bury you created. I was adding the correct spelling and dash to date span and noticed you have two different death dates. The lead sentence says 23 June 1845, while the infobox has 23 March 1845. Thanks. Cmr08 (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cmr08 and thanks for your sharp eye. Correction done. Just, how do you get your somewhat larger dash sign between dates? LouisAlain (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, if you go to the bottom where the edit summary is, directly above it you will see the "Insert" menu. The ndash is the first one. Cmr08 (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ahhhhh, and now I see it. Thanks, I never would have found it by myself. LouisAlain (talk) 07:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DISINFOBOX

Please do not add infoboxes to existing articles without prior discussion on the article Talk page. Not all articles need infoboxes. Here are some reasons why an article might not need an infobox. WP:DISINFOBOX. Let me know if you want to discuss this further. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:27, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ssilvers,
As you know I'm a newbie here so I'll follow the guide-lines that are used on the en-wiki. No more infoboxes from now on; Thanks for the message, LouisAlain (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks. Note that this is not a guideline, only an essay. The guideline, WP:INFOBOXUSE, says: "Whether to include an infobox ... is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." So, I think the best procedure is to begin a discussion on an article's Talk page if you feel strongly that an IB needs to be added or deleted from an existing article. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alain, you may read with amusement Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes: a refutation (you will have heard the name of the author). You can add infoboxes to your liking if you can take them to be reverted (same as for other editing). Was Pierre Boulez for me. Interesting experience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Louis, I'm disgusted that you've been given such disinformation by Ssilvers. Infoboxes are very much part of the English Wikipedia and the majority of articles, especially high quality ones, have an infobox. I'm going to encourage you to carry on adding infoboxes to any articles that you feel would be improved by having one. You don't need anybody's approval, nor do you need prior consensus to make any edit that improves an article. That is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia. --RexxS (talk) 22:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As you can see, people disagree on this issue, but RexxS is absolutely wrong: many of the highest quality articles on Wikipedia do not have infoboxes. See, for example English National Opera. I do agree that editors do not *need* prior consensus to make edits (unless they are under an arbitration restriction), but on a contentious issue like this, where there was a major Arbitration battle, it is a good idea. I should point out that in that arbitration battle, Gerda Arendt was admonished and restricted. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:27, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, SSilvers is completely wrong. One example is called an 'anecdote', not data. Over 75% of all Featured Articles have an infobox, as anyone who takes a sample from that page can verify. In addition, I have always been a leading defender of the right of any editor to add an infobox when they believe it to be an improvement. The onus is on the opponents of that edit to give good reasons why it is not - and "you didn't ask first" is not a good reason. The Arbitration Committee only has a remit to comment on behaviour, not content, and they had no criticism whatsoever of my conduct.
In almost all areas of the encyclopedia, the issue is completely uncontentious, but in one or two topics a small, self-selected group have chosen to remove infoboxes for no other reason than that they don't like the look of them. You may wish to steer clear of adding infoboxes to existing articles on classical composers and biographies of entertainers, if you wish to avoid conflict. Anywhere else, you'll have no problems at all. --RexxS (talk) 00:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ssilvers, you don't have to introduce me to Alain who translated all Bach cantata articles to French. Yes, I was restricted, but there was no battle. Other absurd things happen on Wikipedia, ask, Alain. Nobody is restricted in infobox matters, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch! Didn't know there was a worm can on this issue. I already noticed there were no infoboxes on music articles (although the model exists, I've picked a copy of it somewhere).
Hi RexxS and yes I "wish to avoid conflict" at all cost
Hi Gerda, here's one per la donna (I mean you!) LouisAlain (talk) 08:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC).[reply]

There are many infoboxes on music articles, all Bach cantatas, all Wagner operas, etc, many orchestras and choirs (no problem for those for some reason), many composers (Beethoven for example, where it was installed by community consensus. - There would be community consensus on the others as well if only someone would fight for it. I have no time for that). - Give an ibox to articles you create, - for some reason that is always free, the one kind of ownership I like ;) - You sort of win the right to decide on an infobox by elevating article quality, - guess how many Bach cantatas I improved to GA last year? (It's a kind of ownership I don't like, but at least it has two directions.) Watch BWV 194 over the next few days, the last of an annual cycle ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Coming from where you know I come from, little did I imagine this infobox thing could be contentious here. It really goes to show how cultural confrontations are an oh so easy trap to fall into with a potential for serious consequences attached. LouisAlain (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be afraid, the number of editors who will still revert infoboxes is small, the number of editors who will revert infoboxes in articles for which they are not principal contributors even smaller. I could give you names, but you will find out yourself. Ssilvers has not reverted, only put massive "reasons to oppose" in discussions where they should have been avoided, according to the arbs in the above-mentioned case (which we better simply forget): Editors reminded: "All editors are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions about infoboxes, and to avoid turning discussions about a single article's infobox into a discussion about infoboxes in general." - There was only one infobox discussion in 2016, Pierre Boulez, the scene is quite peaceful, actually. If you are unafraid, you can formally join the cabal of the outcasts ;) - You are a precious member anyway, - by what you do! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How weird and unreal in the end that such a topic would even arise! It reminds me of Jonathan Swift's comparison between the larger and smaller egg's ends. And I thought the French were masters at spliting hair! . In the meantime, here's a little new one. Have a nice day Gerda, LouisAlain (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you won't think we're as committed to warfare as Swift's characters were. In fact I often find myself collaborating happily on all sorts of topics with folks who have diametrically opposed views to me on the single topic of infoboxes. Ssilvers, for example, produces beautiful work on musical theatre topics and would be the first person I'd go to if I had a question about Gilbert and Sullivan. Similarly, I'd like to think he'd ask me for help if he had problems with accessibility in tables, for example. None of the disputants want anything other than to improve the encyclopedia as they see it; it would be a dull world indeed, if we all agreed on everything! --RexxS (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. All the (few) names who reverted are also on the precious list (# 2 5 49 66 82, among others) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Both of you rest assured I'm not in that state of mind. RexxS, I see we were born on the same year and I'm of the opinion of one of your (numerous) British geniuses:
Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime.
Like me you're old enough to know better... And Gerda, since I'm being personal, the other person who changed my life was from Gdańsk. One of my very first translations on fr.wiki was fr:Le Monde comme Volonté et comme Représentation (1 August 2011) which up to then was a paltry 1,645 bytes page. LouisAlain (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing, Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung! There will be a DYK on very short life on 11 May, a good translation of "Der Mensch lebt und bestehet nur eine kleine Zeit" welcome. My take: (Wo)Man lives and exists only a small time. - Love that poetic "kleine Zeit", not "kurze Zeit (short time). Better word for bestehen very welcome, "bestehen" is ambiguous, for example "eine Prüfung bestehen" - pass an exam, but it's more than passing. The composer lived for 43 years, dying 11 May, with that piece next to him. Translation to French welcome ;) - Thank you for the others, Louis, - I'm a bit preoccupied, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One for you, with an "if-you-mention-that-word-again-no-supper", and his Salve Regina (Latry), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's only a few years ago that I discovered the synchronicity concept by Carl Young and am fascinated to observe how many times it applies every now and then in life. I notice that you created Der Mensch lebt und bestehet just 8 days after I started working here. It will soon be 5 years that we "know" each other (well I was interested in the Bach cantatas in the first place and you first intervened on the fr.wiki from my very early translations), and just when I arrive here, some sort of "coincidence" makes our respective trajectory meet again. Ain't that bizarre?

Of course I will translate into French your new born baby just, you may remember what happened to the Rhapsodie Macabre and its author just one month ago. The messages I left on your German talk page was linked by a Swiss sysop (his name appears on a message above re. my IP being blocked here last year) to the French administrators board and I still don't know what the point was to show that I was in contact with you? So my talk page was under surveillance and may still be (as well as yours). Another English user has asked for a translation in French of one of his recent articles. That part is done but I don't give the title since it would be too easy for another fr. sysop to spot and delate (read sabotage) if from the fr.Wikipedia. One of these weeks I will post from another IP. The fr. WK really is in need of a serious, deep and thorough piece of audit.

The DYK part doesn't exist (or at least under that form) where I come from so I'll have to spend some time to understand what it's all about. Is it the reason why you are preoccupied? Charles-Frédéric Kreubé was a minor 19th-century French composer... LouisAlain (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the connection with me is dangerous, BECAUSE I am the notorious wikiboxen criminal? (I archived the whole thing end of 2015, but some will never forget it.) I am preoccupied with Reger, singing in the Reger-Chor from the beginning, so expanded the composer, made his list of works sortable, and wrote about one or the other composition. There is much more about the man and his works, but I need to stay focused. You probably know his most famous line, quoted at the end of this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merci

Merci Louis-Alain pour la traduction en anglais de mes articles sur le théâtre. Cordialement. Enrevseluj (talk) 13:27, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Salut à toi Enrevseluj J'avais l'intention de te faire savoir (à partir d'une autre IP) que je découvrais l'ampleur de ton excellent travail dont j'ignorais jusqu'à l'existence sur les dramaturges français du XIXe en particulier mais d'un autre côté je craignais qu'un contact non sollicité avec le pestiféré que je suis devenu où tu sais soit source d'ennuis pour toi. Tu as pris cette initiative et je t'en remercie, elle m'est très agréable. Bien à toi, LouisAlain (talk) 13:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, je ne sais ce qui se passe sur ma PDD, je découvre que s'y trouvent des palanquées de textes dont je ne sais d'où ils sortent. J'espère néanmoins que tu liras ma réponse. LouisAlain (talk) 13:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Je crois que c'est l'émoticon qui a déclenché çà. T’inquiètes, je ne suis plus à un soucis prêt. Tu n'es pas banni ici donc je ne vois pas ce que l'on me reprocherait... Bon, c'est vrai que j'ai été tellement attaqué ces derniers temps pour des soi-disant protections de faux-nez que l'on pourrait encore me reprocher d'avoir ici des contacts avec un utilisateur banni. Sur Wikipedia, plus on en fait et plus on en risque, c'est le principe de l'injustice incarné. Maintenant, tu as aussi beaucoup fait, j'ai pu observer tout çà. Cordialement. Enrevseluj (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bonjour Enrevseluj, ce matin j'ai traduit ton fr:Auguste-Louis-Désiré Boulé où j'ai noté 2 légères corrections à apporter:
  1. L'Inconnu, ou les Mystères est accompagné d'un lien vers un certain "Morisot". Just, le lien mène vers la peintre qui n'était pas née à cette époque. Il s'agit donc d'une autre personne.
  2. Par ailleurs, il y a un lien rouge à Jeanne, drame en 6 parties et 2 époques ; en fait tu voulais certainement diriger vers fr:Louis-Nicolas Brette Saint-Ernest que je n'ai pas encore traduit mais ce sera fait d'ici ce soir... Voilà l'absurdité de la situation! je relève des choses à corriger par ci par là mais qu'y puis-je? Oh well... À plus peut-être LouisAlain (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merci LouisAlain pour les corrections. Souvent je m'occupe des corrections d'homonymie uniquement lorsqu'elles me sont signalées par Vlaam. Morisot, c'est Mathias Morisot. Je regarderai s'il y a possibilité de le créer mais j'en doute. Je n'ai pas souvenir qu'il ait participé à une autre pièce. On verra. Par contre pour L'Inconnu, ou les Mystères, j'ai oublié de mentier la participation de E. F. Varez à la pièce, ce que je vais corriger. Amicalement. Enrevseluj (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour

Content de voir que tu n'as pas abandonné Wikipedia, malgré tes ennuis ailleurs.

Cordialement. -Eric-92 (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC) (si besoin)[reply]

Bonjour à toi Eric-92 et merci de ton inattendu et sympathique message. Comme tu sais j'ai quelque 220 articles presque tous consacrés à la musique tout prêts à être mis en ligne mais ma dernière tentative a fini par être vandalisée par ceux-là même qui ont la responsabilité de protéger Wiki de ce genre de sabotage! Je n'ai pas dit mon dernier mot et ces articles seront mis en ligne (mais pas dans les jours qui viennent, ce serait trop voyant...
En attendant, Enrevseluj ci-dessus a une production de plusieurs centaines d'articles très documentés sur les auteurs dramatiques français et j'ai un programme de traduction particulièrement chargé pour les mois à venir. ; ♫ à bientôt, LouisAlain (talk) 07:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Petite messe solennelle

After an annual Bach cantata cycle, I'd like to expand Petite messe solennelle, hopefully to GA status, and would like your help. It comes with a tag about translation from French, could you please check what could be interesting from there? - I believe it needs a composition history section and a better lead. At present we learn about some piano pieces before anything substantial about the work. - The German Wikipedia has that the Christe eleison is not by Rossini, - could check that also? Going to rehease it today, for a concert on 12 June ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a little part (== Musicians==) which calls for your proof-reading and I'm in the process of translating the French article about count fr:Alexis Pillet-Will. I'm not sure how you deal with the {{quote}} template on en.wiki. Also, I haven't found any indication that the Christe eleison could not be by Rossini. LouisAlain (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, - do you think the tag could go now? - {{quote}} is easy if you have just the quote after the separator, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and translated history from de where I found it a bit more chronological, merging the parts from fr. Please check. Could you go over the musical analysis, because I changed things and would like to know if I missed things. I made all footnotes efn, and would like to change the refs to harv. Tired of too much detail in places, and then some movements not covered at all (Credo, Agnus Dei). We'll need more refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for correcting my mistakes, I should have been more cautious (bass instead of basse of course). Just, for what I understand, there has never been a "Théâtre-Italien" as such but the name refers to a genre rather than a specific venue. In its current form, the article writes Théâtre-Italien like it was a precise location and one time in italic. Some coherence is needed here. The title of the French article is indeed misleading. You know better than me so I leave it to you. LouisAlain (talk) 12:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Italian Theatre seems to refer to a company which performed at different locations in history ("From 1801 to 1878, Théâtre-Italien was used for a succession of Parisian opera companies performing Italian opera in Italian"), - can you find out which at the time? (I don't find it in the English). I made "Musicians" "Scoring" if that is what you mean by title. - I still feel the detail of measure numbers and keys is way too much but don't know where to start pruning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I found a good source, Hurwitz 2010. It knows about the Christe not by Rossini. It knows nothing about a second performance the day after the first. Is there any? If not we better drop that. I doesn't mention private chapel. Same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The second performance is supported by others, - the chapel by some, but not others. Nierdermeyer as composer of Christe seems sure. Please keep watching, we made some progress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see you're working hard as hell on this Petite messe solennelle. The reason why I am no longer as involved in Wiki as you comes from my termination at fr.wiki after all the work I produced over there (ranked 8th in terms of articles created). Your Der Mensch lebt und bestehet ("appropriately") lebte und letze sehr kurz auf fr.wiki. Etwa 4 Stunden. The one responsible for the deletion follows this page (user:Thibaut over there). Now the situation has turned amazingly absurd: the sysops act like vandals and delete good pages out of personal vendetta against my person. French amateurism and mediocrity at its best. Like I could still be affected by these hooligans. That's what happens when no mature grown-ups are around to act reasonably. I carry on the good work here (well, in the range of my possibilities) but I'm past the time to do deep and thorough research on Wiki when too many uneducated Meanies spoil the party. LouisAlain (talk) 20:56, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bonsoir (j'espère qu'il est permis d'écrire en français ici).
Pour info je lui ai demandé de restaurer 2 articles (voir fr:Discussion utilisateur:Thibaut120094#Message de Eric-92), sans succès car mes contributions ne sont pas jugées « significatives » . Il n'est certainement pas un mauvais admin, mais il est probablement obligé d'appliquer ces règles bizarres.
De toute façon ça ne sert à rien d'employer des noms d'oiseaux ; au contraire il faudrait être encore plus prudent.
Bonne semaine. Eric-92 (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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