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Discussion of a recent revert

Regarding this recent revert with the edit summary "And you are lynching Negroes." I'm not a fan of the Soviet Union (I agree to a large extent with Noam Chomsky that the USSR can be described to some degree as "a dungeon with a floor on human suffering"). But the WP article "And you are lynching Negroes" strikes me as an awful article. It appears to be nothing more than an ad hominem attack piece, a hit-piece, nothing more than a vacuous piece of Orwellian-style propaganda. Some parts of the article are not supported by reliable sources, and the sources cited appear to be designed to block and preempt legitimate allegations of US cynicism and US hypocrisy by broadly and mendaciously painting any and all such allegations as ridiculous and thus a-priori illegitimate.

Take "And you are lynching Negroes", and invert it (i.e., perform a process similar to some extent to the spirit of WP: Boomerang), that is, replace every occurrence of 'soviet union' (or the other so-called 'communist' or 'socialist' countries appearing in "And you are lynching Negroes") with 'the U.S.,' and replace every occurrence of 'the U.S.' (or the 'West') with 'the Soviet Union,' and replace the phrase 'And you are lynching Negroes' with the mirror phrase 'And you are imprisoning dissidents in gulags', and replace every source ridiculing the Soviet Union with a mirror source ridiculing the U.S. (or the 'West'). The resulting article is the mirror image of the original article, that is, an ad hominem attack piece, an article that appears just as "legitimate" as the current article. Or in other words, just another piece of vacuous propaganda and intellectually empty garbage, not fundamentally different than the vacuous propaganda of "[And you are lynching Negroes]]".

It is not my intent to attack or injure any editor(s). My only intent is to express the view that using "And you are lynching Negroes" is not valid reasoning to support the recent revert. I'd like to respectfully ask the reverting editor to please articulate a legitimate, convincing reason for the revert, and please not cite nonsense such as "And you are lynching Negroes." Otherwise the reverted content should be restored. Thanks, IjonTichy (talk) 01:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nazis burning people, people burning Nazis... really?

Seems that if we are going to include the incident in which one Nazi official was burned by a mob, or the other where German minorities in post-WW2 Czechoslovakia were burned alive (both with German-language sources no less) we also ought to include the recent 2 May 2014 Odessa clashes where 30 or 40 people were burned alive by pro-Kiev radical nationalists. Or perhaps how there were cases of Nazi crematoriums burning people alive? As it is, the article is (sorry to say) biased with a pro-Nazi slant. Actually, the article is already becoming something of a compendium list. There has to be a way to separate some of these into more accessible articles, or at least structure it better. Does anyone have any ideas? I would hesitate to name it something like "list of historically prominent deaths by burning," but perhaps it could be structured more around the describing the historical background of the practice, and organizing the examples based on cause or motive rather than geography or time period? For example, burning at the stake is something of a religious practice against heretics which to some extent continues today. Another separate aspect was punishment for crimes like adultery or liberating slaves. Then there is self-immolation and firebombing. As long as we're examining the German angle, what about the firebombing of Dresden? Really it is a very broad topic, and I don't think it is well-served by lumping together all these historical examples as it stands now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.230.88 (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs a flamethrower taken to it

The article is grotesquely overdetailed. EEng 10:40, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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