User talk:Walter Görlitz/Archived Talk to 2016-06

Signpost article

You can read the final version of the interview piece here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:34, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Link in infobox or text

Hi Walter,

you reverted my addition of a link to Extended play on the page Who We Are (EP). I guess the reason was, that there already is a link in the infobox. I didn't even see that one. Is there a guideline, if links should be in the text or in the infobox? In my opinion links are better recognized in the text, so I would put them there and not the infobox. Also there are multiple links to Flyleaf (Band), is there a special reason for it? SUmmo (talk) 12:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

It's a common term along with studio album, etc. It's not about REPEATLINKs at all. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

MLS article

Sorry, I was thinking the Australian league had playoffs to decide the champions . Don't know what happened to the URL other than bad typing. Red Jay (talk) 09:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Scott Krippayne

Sorry to bother you, but you recently left a message on my talk page claiming I was trying to promote a "certain image" for a subject by saying he performs more than one genre. This was certainly not my intention, and there is abundant proof that the subject (Krippayne) does not belong to a single genre. I do not want to start a WP:EDITWAR, so I have kept your revert standing for now, but I strongly feel that keeping the single genre in the first sentence of the lead and infobox is wrong (it could even present violations of WP:NPOV). Squiddaddy (talk) 12:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I understand and agree. The problem is that "various" is not a genre. The parameter should list all genres, and they should be sourced, and CCM is definitely one of them. Also, we do not WP:OVERLINK nationalities. I debated whether I should fix the content, as I did after your first edit, or revert to make it clear what I was doing and why. As you can see, I landed on the second. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have looked for a source behind other genres Krippayne has performed, and this Billboard article seems to go into a few. It states he "has built a comfortable career on well-written, introspective pop tunes," and then explains (that the album described in the article) includes "demonstrates a sophisticated rock sensibility" and has "bluesy" musical textures. Do you feel this source supports adding at least one of these other genres to the infobox? If so, then would it be okay if I went ahead and did so, along with changing the lead so it does not specify one genre? Also, I understand what you mean about overlinking completely, and when I make the change I will make sure to keep "American" unlinked. Squiddaddy (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It had been a while, so I went ahead and made the changes. I used the reference I mentioned above to support the genres I added (and used another reference to make it so that CCM was supported by one). Thank you again. Squiddaddy (talk) 17:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Walter could you help me edit?

I would like to get better, but, I am up against the "I don't know how" monster. Like, I put the four tildes a couple of times and when I saved it said I did not sign. Another is, I changed a reference on the Gary Chapman page to one that had the author and put the 4 tildes and they showed up in the article. Do I erase everything up to the end of the sentence I am putting the cite for? Or is there another way to change the "better ref. needed"? And aren't we suppose to sign after the "/ref"? I also put up a paragraph in the Amy Grant talk section for you to look over before making a change to the article which is recommended in some of the discussion. Than you for your help.Hmmreally 02:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs)

Sorry for the late reply. Yes, of course I would be glad to help you edit, although it looks like you've had some help on your talk page from Dontreader already. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or place a {{Help me}} on your own talk page and someone should come to offer support. If you click on the link, it will take to you instructions on how to apply it there. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Walter. I've given up on Hmmreally. Maybe I should keep on assuming good faith on his part, but I won't. I suspect he's trying to fool us and waste our time. His username looks suspicious to me. I could be wrong about this, and it wouldn't be the first time, but I think we should be cautious. If you look at all the help I've given him, especially with the signing issue, you might understand my position. It's as if he really doesn't care. You know the system much better than I do. There must be a way to warn him if he continues to show this pattern if he sends out a help signal or visits the Teahouse. At least I hope so. I'm quite frustrated with him, to be honest. You decide. Thanks. Dontreader (talk) 19:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to do things right. I don't have a lot of time as I work two jobs. I try to do the "show preview" to see if things look right before I submit, although I do forget the tildes and after I submit, it is too late to fix. Is there a step by step explanation somewhere? I am sorry if I have frustrated you Dontreader. Hmmreally 22:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs)

I really don't get it, it shows I signed but then says I didn't? I am going to sign only in the edit summary this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs) 22:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

So, in both cases, sign here with tildes it shows my signature yet it also states it is an autosign. In the seecond, I put the 4 tildes in the edit summary and it still is not right. In that case, it does NOT show I signed and put the signbot in. This is really frustrating. Hmmreally 22:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs)

Hmmreally, someone else helped you. Then I helped you with the tildes too, on your talk page. It's impossible to give a more detailed explanation for how and when to use the tildes. Please look again HERE. You are still signing in edit summaries while failing to sign on talk pages (despite my clear instructions), so I don't know how much that has to do with having two jobs. If you had forgotten to sign in both cases then I wouldn't be so suspicious of you. Anyway, I'll let Walter handle the situation from now on. Dontreader (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

Niteshift36 (talk) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

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Spread the peace of doves by adding {{subst:Peace dove}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

I think we're on the same side and I've had good dealings with you in the past. I'm not sure what made each of us react how we did, but I apologize for my part. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Seal the Deal & Let's Boogie

Hi Mr. Görlitz. I can see that you have created a redirect from the article Seal the Deal & Let's Boogie which I created a week ago. I am mostly active on da:wiki, so there is probably a lot of policies that differs from en:wiki, but why isn't the upcoming album notable, when all the rest of the bands material is? I suppose that it will be notable, when it has been published? Kind regards Toxophilus (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It will be notable at some point, but right now, it's WP:TOOSOON. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:54, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Are we at peace, and

…if not, is peace even possible? I am nearing done with what I can afford to do on this article. I have only found one good source in the last 5 years (though this allowed me to establish Sares as still being there as of 2014, and another one of the applied descriptive labels about the organization's perspectives). Perhaps you have or know of more.

Note, the Leadership section is intended to come out (be integrated broadly, elsewhere, as I explain in a markup note). It is simply in, now, because at present, we do not know "who was where, when," based on the current sources/analysis, and because having this gap-laden material in one place will help in its getting filled in. Even as awkward as the section appears, it lets people know who the Sares and other individuals are, before going into sections where he/they are repeatedly quoted.

Cheers, hope you are well. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I am well thanks. I am not at war with you, but I reported your battleground mentality. If you want to continue, I'll take what you have to offer. I appreciate your addition of good content, I don't appreciate your tag bombing. I appreciate your improving the content, removing bad content, but I'm not liking your insistence that it be done on your terms (a.k.a. page ownership). I have tried to improve the references and you reverted them because it wasn't done your way. I marked dead references as such, and you reverted and then marked the references as dead.

As I said, I'll wait until you're done with the article itself and then I'll work on adding my edits. I don't really want to be insulted by you again. Now to go explain myself at your ANI entry. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:19, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Howard Benson Discography

Hi, Walter. I noticed that you recently deleted Howard Benson's discography due to its length and non-notable entries. Since Wikipedia:Requested articles/music requests that Benson's production discography should be created as its own page, I am going to create this page with the full discography. I am letting you know because of your dedicated editorial role to this subject. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks. Paul1612 (talk) 20:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

@Paul1612: That sounds like a great idea. I removed it because it was unreferenced. I assume that the discog article you create will contain many references. I also remove it because many non-notable bands and non-notable recordings were being added. That should be addressed as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Noted. I also went ahead and cleaned up the original page to adhere to a coherent style and removed uncited materials. Thanks. Paul1612 (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Newmarket, Suffolk

Walter, I added a section for F-111 accident in the history section of Newmarket, Suffolk but another editor took the section out. Could you look at it to see if you agree that it is not a noteworthy event? Thanks, Hmmreally 22:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmmreally (talk • contribs)

"Wrong location"

What's the right location for {{No footnotes}} in an article that needs to be edited then, in the list of references? TherasTaneel (talk) 15:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Top of the article when applied to the whole article, just as it would go at the top of a section when applied to a section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Circle of Dust Updates

Hi Walter,

Kevin from FiXT here. We've been trying to update Klayton's Circle of Dust page only to have you undo them. Could you please stop, if you have any additional questions please email me - kevin@fixtonline.com or seek updates at circleofdust.net

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.9.199 (talk) 17:34, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

That's disconcerting on multiple levels. Please stop adding unsourced information to promote your label. Thank you. If you create an account for your own use, I, or another editor, can provide information on how to edit when there is a conflict of interest. From this point forward, any unsourced information will have to be removed from any CoD-, FiXT- or Klayton-associated article since you have shown that you either can edit from multiple locations or have many editors who will edit on your behalf. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I provided sources for the content, so I think the issue has been resolved. Kevin, if there is any more content that your label wants in the article, you can propose it on the talk page of Circle of Dust and other editors, such as myself or Walter, can see if it is appropriate for the article. Sources supporting the content are needed for any proposed content, as well.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

@3family6: I saw your updates. Thanks. Your advice to Kevin is also good. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Walter, thanks for the advice, I'm new to Wikipedia. Although I must admit it seems some of your accusations unfounded, as correcting information isn't necessarily "promoting"? Helpful yet not helpful at the same time.

Don't forget we should thank @3family6: for advice/assistance. Such a kind fellow. Really helped us get this issue FiXT. IXerro (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Split albums/collaborative albums and associated acts

Which talk archives address split albums and associated acts? I went through all the relevant discussions at Template talk:Infobox musical artist and couldn't find anything. I'm willing to abide by consensus, I just don't know what the consensus is.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@3family6: The discussion I was thinking of was Template talk:Infobox musical artist/Archive 13#Associated acts, again, specifically FuriousFreddy's response. It was a typically short discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. That one got buried, apparently. I can understand the rationale, so I'll not press the issue.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 21:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Reno 1868 article

Thanks for pointing out that I was missing a citation for the crest release on May 26th. I couldn't find an official article stating that the first kit will be released on June 11th but they have stated it on social media. I removed that tidbit, regardless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaffOutLoud (talk • contribs) 02:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Requesting comment

Hey there! I've started an RfC at the talk page on Dallon Weekes to request for comments on a dispute on if info prior to the subject is relevant. You can read a longer explanation and comment on the RfC section here. Thanks! Sekyaw (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Mobile Orchestra

...Why? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 00:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see now. Where did you get the idea that a single had to chart to be in that parameter? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That's like saying Deftones' nu metal classics "7 Words" and "Bored" from Adrenaline were never singles. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 00:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

From the discussions at the template and the music project. If they were not released to radio, or were able to chart, not singles. That's what "single" in this sense means. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

But that's so stupid! How could you possibly think that you need charts to be singles? They're singles, whether they're successful or not. Notability should have nothing to do with this. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 14:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not really stupid. First, charts don't need to be singles, but songs that are release to chart are singles. Songs that are released to promote an album, as many songs are done now, are not singles.

Again, notability has nothing to do with this. That's WP:NSONG. But the singles template is for songs that were released to chart. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Ohh, you don't think it was released to a chart at all? K then. I see where you're going. But I'd be confident Owl City would've tried to get that to chart, by the way. It just didn't end up doing so. You think it's a promotional single. I doubt that, but you do have the right to question that. I was a bit confused. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it was a promotional single either. I don't know what it is as there's no reference to support how it was released.

When in the 50s through and to the 90s, labels could release songs to sales channels. These were 45 RPMS, 7-inch singles and cassette singles (or cassingles). if they were released to radio, they were considered singles. If not, they were promotional singles. Occasionally a band would only release a series of 45s. These would not be considered singles in the terminology of the time. In an age when you can take any song and release it individually to a sales channel, the concept of single by sales alone is too fuzzy and that's why the music project tends to discount those kinds of releases, whether they're a lyric video or other content that had no hope of charting. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Sinterklaas

Hi, thanks for reverting my edit. I neglected to search for the NY angle. Gap9551 (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Rich Mullins biography

I have a tremendous amount of resources such as rare audio recordings, newspaper clippings, video recordings, photographs other tidbits that I would like to incorporate into the Rich Mullins wikipedia page where appropriate. To an extent, I knew him personally and have a few people who knew him even better then did. I noticed that you made a few changes and even a revision of the image to the article, and I appreciate your help. I can see that you are an experienced editor here and would like to work with you to better the biography. I hope you'll note that prior to my edits, the page was not in all that great of a shape. Among other problems, it has a lot of big, boxy quotes that don't really fit.

I must ask about the image though. I have an original copy of that image, among others, that was sent out in a press kit ~1995. I am curious as to why it's aceeptable to use the black and white picture, but not the colored one? You say "removed copyrighted image" -- and that's understandable, but why is the black and white picture acceptable? They are the same picture, even. I see no reason to not include the color picture. I have many more images that were taken personally by me or those that I know and am working on scanning them in (they date back to 1975) so they can be used. These images surely are not a copyright issue.

As for the kidbrothers.net source, I would like to note that most of those references were there prior to my edits. Like it or not like it, it's the most complete collections of information regarding Mullins on the internet. It sure does look ugly though... see... the kidbrother's page was not always as you see it now. In 2002, it was updated to a modern page. There was a server crash in ~2010 and the site lost a lot of it's content and it's pretty format. They ended up having to roll back to the "1996" version you see today. Brian, the webmaster has significant amounts of content and pulls some of his information from obscure -- but reliable -- articles, such as an interview conducted in 1986 -- "Live Like You'll Die Tomorrow - Rich Mullins Speaks His Mind, The Cross Examiner, Brian Smith, October 1, 1986." It's just a matter of sifting through it all.

I also appreciate the "clean up" that you did on the page. In fact, as you were in there cleaning it up, I was as well and there was an edit conflict. I am new to editing wikipedia, so I do appreciate your help. You'll probably see me popping in and out of that article tomorrow as I sift through my stack of photos, articles, etc, but other then that I don't have much to contribute. Medic454 (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks That the links to the fan site were preexisting, does not make them less dubious.

As for the publicity image, there is a way to upload it without breaking copyright. Scan it. Upload it and apply an appropriate Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline, also known as a fair use rationale and be sure to explain that it is an image used for the purposes of publicity and is "irreplaceable".

You should get used to the arcane rules fairly quickly. If you're interested in sticking around, let me know and I can point you to the Christian music working group. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Walter, I appreciate it. I can scan it in and upload it. In the nicest way, I don't really have much to offer other then being a trove of resources for this one particular article. So other then that, I won't be sticking around much, ha. Medic454 (talk) 05:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Christ for the Nations Institute

Hi Walter, I work for Christ for the Nations Institute and we created the account THEREALCFNI to update and organize the School page on Wikipedia. I started updating a couple minor things yesterday and there's so much yet to do (even changing the logo for the newest version we have now), but I see there must be something I don't know about the edit process. I'm trying to learn the process but honestly I find it confusing (to me) so I started editing so I could learn while doing it. Apparently you know a lot about it and you've been editing our page for a long time, so if you're available, I could really use your help if possible.

Thank you so much! Patricia THEREALCFNI (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

When employees edit articles related to their employers, it could be seen as a problem. I have put information on your talk page related to that.

If you want help, I would be glad to help you. Start by reading the information I have left. The links should guide you through the basics. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Just leave a {{help}} request there. I'll watch your talk page and try to respond within the same day. Realize, of course, that I, like almost every editor, is a volunteer. I have a regular job and a life outside of editing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay, got it! I'm going to check everything out! Thank you for your help! THEREALCFNI (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Kamelot Founder Thomas Youngblood

Hi

We understand you have deleted the wiki page for Kamelot's founder and power metal pioneer Thomas Youngblood. Please reinstate immediately and we will make some needed updates to the page as well. Also we noticed you edited Roy Khan the same day. We have notified Wikipedia regarding this biased decision. You need to reverse the deletion as once! Sincerely, TIm Norwood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim norwood (talk • contribs) 19:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

We? Am I to assume that you represent more than one individual? If so you need to disclose that on your talk page.

I believe that you are mistaken. I did not delete the article for Thomas Youngblood, I redirected it to his band's page as it was without any reference. I won't be "reversing" the redirect at any time. I would encourage you to learn how to edit and be a constructive editor on the project. If you want to revert it, follow this link and click undo. I will follow that up with tagging the article with {{BLP unsourced}} if you have not already added sources when I see the revert. For the record, I probably should have performed a Google search to find reliable sources to improve the article, but I prefer to let fans or other editors do that.

The fact that I removed OVERLINKs, correctly formatted and purged bad content from the Roy Khan article on the same day is perfectly acceptable. I hope that you and "Wikipedia" have a good conversation about that because there was no biased editing there at all.

Now, I get the feeling that you are making veiled legal threats, but I'll assume instead that you're just new to this and think that you can push others into your bidding. This isn't a schoolyard, and bullying doesn't work here. In fact, there's a policy about making legal threats that you might want to read. Admins take that very seriously.

Finally, if you need help editing, I would be glad to assist you. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Surely you are familiar with AGF. While I understand the tone of the request may have struck a nerve (I'd be turned off by someone who said "you need to reverse the deletion at once!"), let's remember that not everyone is fully conversant with how Wikipedia works. While you did change an article into a redirect, it is perfectly understandable that an outsider would see that as the deletion of an article. In fact, I'm not entirely sure it qualifies as a best practice, as it effectively deleted an article without going through the normal deletion processes.

I'm in conversation with the individual at OTRS. I don't think the best approach is to simply reinstate the article as it was not compliant, so my intention is to suggest that they start over in draft space, and get it reviewed and if it's acceptable it'll be easy enough to move it over the redirect. Does that sound like a sensible plan to you?--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Of course I'm familiar with AGF. What did I write that makes it appear as

1. I am not familiar with it, and
2. did not assume and show good faith in the editor(s)?

Feel free to explain.

Your suggestion is fine as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up, I just cited my source. It was really nice of you to tell me about it. Keep it up!

lcard9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lcard9 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Alessandro Venezia

Hello, Im a new volunteer here on wikipedia and my first random article is Alessandro Venezia. It has very little sources. Please help me edit. Thank you.--Italy2020 (talk) 19:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Lacuna Coil Delirium "genre warrior"

While I do agree the genres listed were sufficient, the album is very metalcore in my opinion. Symphonic metalcore as a genre seems odd though. MisfitGhoul (talk) 21:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @MisfitGhoul: Opinions have no place in articles, also Sub-genres should not be used in the infobox per the templates documentation. Mlpearc (open channel) 21:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

The problem with the addition was that it was made by an editor who had been hitting multiple articles and adding unsourced genres. Really, every band/artist and album article should have a style section and it should discuss what reliable sources say about the genre. That should be summarized in the infobox. Too many people think that they know what genres are, but the don't pass the test of reliability as Mlpearc has stated. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

prods > redirects.

Check out user Kvng. Didn't want to mention on project page. --Richhoncho (talk) 00:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ridiculous

Really? You expect someone to read your reply by having to go to the history page, because you deleted the section? Not a step forward in patching things up. You're certainly not a peacemaker, are you? (Enough said on that - but I definitely could say more.) Anyway, I don't see how you could not agree with my edit after my explanation. What's there to disagree with? The reason that I posted it here instead of the article talk page was because of the first part. Would you really rather have personal comments about you put on the article talk page? And you don't have an email contact link - or I could have sent that (and this) privately. Also (for me anyway), when I click to add a new section, it takes me straight to the edit box - bypassing your notice. So, you may want to put it on the actual talk page, like most editors do. —Musdan77 (talk) 17:30, 25 June 2016 (UTC)