Talk:Channel 4

I removed "a private firm " from "Unlike the BBC, it is a private firm funded by advertising rather than the licence fee."

C4 is a statutory non-profit-making corporation and has been since 1990. Before that it was a subsidiary of the IBA/ITC. It is not a private firm, and has no shareholders. Privatisation has been discussed and (so far) put off, and it is possible that 4 Ventures which runs FilmFour, E4, attheraces etc. will be partly sold off in the future. --rbrwr

Note: ITC site could be useful for this page in the future --rbrwr

I've attempted to clarify C4's status as a hybrid between commercial and public service broadcasting; I think this article has been going down the wrong road on this since Lezek's edit of November 3. I'm open to other opinions, though. --rbrwr

Please move this page

How will anyone know that it is what it is and not a television channel in the United States that is designated as Channel 4?? Please move this page to Channel 4 (Britain)

Hm... the fact that the first line of this article says Channel 4 is a television broadcaster in the United Kingdom kind of gives it away really. FYI the United States is not the centre of the Universe. Mintguy (T) 01:20, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Also, there could be no possible Wikipedia article for "Channel 4 (United States)" that would make any coherent sense, because whether NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, etc. is on Channel 4 in a particular city varies across the country, so the only conceivable article for "Channel 4 in the US" would be a list of what (if any) network is carried on Channel 4 in various cities. In contrast, Channel 4 in the UK is a consistent, branded, important network of its own right, and deserves an entry without disambiguation. As Mintguy mentions too, the fact that it's a UK network is specifically mentioned in the first line of the article. Moncrief, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

True or false??

True or false: this network really is on Channel 4 on all U.K. televisions. 66.32.244.69 02:27, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That depends what you mean by "really on channel 4". In terms of nominal UHF channel, it's not possible, because UK channels are numbered from 21 to 68. Most televisions will have Channel 4 on preset button 4 of their tuner. On the other hand, my digital cable box has presets starting at 100, with Channel 4 on 104. Does that help? --rbrwrˆ 06:04, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Extrapolation

Can this be extrapolated?? According to what Wikipedia says, ITV is preset button 3 and Five is 5. I believe BBC is 2 and Sky Broadcasting is 6. Can anyone complete this??

1. ___
2. BBC
3. ITV
4. Channel 4
5. Five
6. Sky Broadcasting
7. ___
8. ___
9. ___
10. ___
11. ___
12. ___
13. ___

66.245.105.195 01:45, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There's nothing that forces people to have their channels in a particular order, as analogue broadcast channels can appear anywhere between UHF channels 21 and 68. However, most people will have set up their channels so that they appear as

1. BBC1
2. BBC2
3. ITV
4. Channel 4
5. five

With digital tv it all depends on the platform. Sky Digital channel numbering starts from BBC1 at 101 in the UK (RTE1 is on 101 in the republic of Ireland). I have Freeview, and my channels are numbered:

• 1 BBC1
• 2 BBC2
• 3 ITV1
• 4 Channel 4
• 5 five
• 6 ITV2
• 7 BBC3
• 9 Teletext
• 10 BBC4
• 11 Sky Travel
• 12 UKTV History
• 14 E4
• 15 abc1
• 16 QVC
• 17 UKTV Gold
• 18 The Hits
• 19 UKTV Bright Ideas
• 20 ftn
• 21 TMF
• 22 Ideal World
• 23 bid-up tv
• 24 price drop tv
• 25 TCM
• 26 UKTV Style
• 27 Discovery
• 28 Discovery Home & Leisure
• 29 UKTV Food
• 30 CBBC
• 31 CBeebies
• 32 Cartoon Network
• 33 Boomerang
• 40 BBC News 24
• 41 ITV News Channel
• 42 Sky News
• 43 Sky Sports News
• 44 Bloomberg
• 45 BBC Parliament
• 46 Community

plus various interactive channels. -- Arwel 02:51, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

No 13! Is this related to triskaidekaphobia?? 66.245.70.203 02:53, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

nope, S4C2 is on 13, but only in Wales. There is speculation on the net that S4C2 (which primarly shows news from the Welsh Assembly), will move to 47 with the other current affairs leaving 13 free for ITV3 (to launch Nov 1) or possibly More4 (early 2005) MrWeeble 16:08, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Page name

Am I the only one that thinks this page should really be on "Channel Four" or "Channel Four Television"? Chris 01:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes. AFAIK the official name is a numeral, not a word, and the common name certainly is. Joe D (t)

Indeed, if you look on the channel 4 website, they only ever refer to themselves as "Channel 4", as do ofcom on their site, so should not be movedMrWeeble 07:33, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Strange. HMSO's record of the legal documents seem to disagree, as does the channel4.com WHOIS record, and the ASA for that matter. In fact, it seems Ofcom only refer to "Channel 4" in the same way as they refer to "Channel 3". On the licence page, they are described as "Channel Four Television". One would also assume that thire entry as members of the DVB Consortium would also be accurate. It is also cited as their name on their own site. Of course, HMSO, Ofcom, the ASA, InterNIC and Channel Four themselves could all be wrong ... Chris 23:40, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would still be for keeping it at "Channel 4" and just changing the intro to "Channel Four Television, known to most as Channel 4, ...", for two reasons:

1. "Channel 4" is not only the common name, but the most commonly used brand name format of Channel Four Television Corporation - more people know the subject of this article as a television channel & brand than they do as a business.
2. everybody will link to and search for "Channel 4" and this way it will reduce redirecting/simplify linking.

Joe D (t) 00:33, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• You say that they refer to Channel 4 the same way they refer to Channel 3 but Channel 3 is not a live Wikipedia article. 66.245.21.126 00:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)