Talk:Breakfast

Etymology?

I thought Spanish for breakfast was "desayuno", not "almuerzo". I was taught that "almuerzo" was "lunch". Neutronium 22:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have started to put all the non-English words in this article that are not found in my dictionary onto italics, since that is customary English usage. Also, I have changed a sentence on breakfast on Korea to say that breakfast does not exist as a distinct meal. (I added the word not, which I think was the original author's intended meaning.) Hajhouse 00:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps we should separate between "British breakfast foods" and "N.A. breakfast foods." A North American would definitely not recognize "tomatoes, mushrooms, black pudding, or fish" as breakfast foods unless they were from Britain. (With the possible exception of lox on bagels.) - montréalais

What is an "entertainment meal"? -- Tarquin 21:15 Sep 9, 2002 (UTC)

A meal served to others you invite over for that purpose. E.g., you will often have someone over for dinner or brunch but rarely for breakfast. user:Montrealais

First para, second sentence and last para, first sentence are repetitive. Which should stay, and where in the article should it go? My vote is to move the last para in its entirety to immediately precede the first sentence of the article (and scratch current article sentence two). Other ideas? Ed Cormany 03:54 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Breakfast -- full English breakfast -- continental breakfast

It's definitely not easy to find articles without Wikipedia's search facility. I just typed in "continental breakfast", not knowing that such an article does not exist (yet) and was referred to Departments of the Continental Army. This is going to drive away both casual users and regular contributors. If you type in "continental breakfast" you should at least get one of the "breakfast" articles rather than a "continenal" one. --KF 22:08, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Now it is slightly confusing that Breakfast links to Continental breakfast which redirects to Breakfast ... -- Tjwood 17:28, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Quote: Outside of Scandinavia, a continental Western European breakfast is scarcely more than a snack to tide one over until lunch.

Depends what you mean by "Continental Western European", I suppose, but the statement above is untrue even if you look no further than Benelux and Germany. What the British call a "Continental breakfast" is really a Mediterranean breakfast. A more substantial style of breakfast -- including eggs, meat, cheese, etc -- is taken all over northern continental Europe, not just in Scandinavia. -- Picapica 20:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know. When I started editing this, the geographical stuff that was here was insane, and I've tried to improve it, but it is still really frustrating me. Go look at what was here before. And it's not just Europe - I've been struggling with North and South America, and the absence of Australia and Africa, and as for Asia and the Middle East, argh. It's bizarre. A little less so now than before, but really - have at it. I didn't feel I should wipe out the whole thing and start from scratch (although I sort of did with what had been North America), but maybe it would have taken less time! --Mothperson 21:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if you might have thought I was having any direct dig at you, Mothperson. I share your frustration with the way this subject has been treated and applaud your attempts to insert a little more cool-headed analysis here. It's a very strange thing, isn't it, how many myths and halftruths circulate around what one would have thought the rather banal theme of "breakfast" -- see the "Irish/English breakfast" wars at Talk:Irish breakfast, the most ironic facet of which is that, with the possible exception of Sundays, the great majority of "traditional Irish/English" breakfasts eaten are, in any case, probably those served by the catering trade... very largely to tourists. -- Picapica 16:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, no. I was just venting, having been beating my head against my desk for a while with no one to talk to about that wretched "continental breakfast", et al. Thanks for sending me to Talk:Irish breakfast - it's priceless, even if I can't currently laugh without having a coughing fit. The wonderful whacky world of Wiki. So - what to do? Southwestern European? European countries speaking latin-based languages with the exception of Rumania and parts of Belgium and Switzerland? I kind of like Mediterranean Europe, but then there's Greece. Maybe - no continental categories at all??? No, that would be too simple. If you have any ideas... the geographically-challenged Mothperson 16:42, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Danish Breakfast

I have never known a Danish breakfast to include meats, but before I edit, I will investigate. As far as I know, "traditional" breakfasts would consist of eggs and lots of solid breads with well-aged cheeses. Sweet pastries are usually reserved for weekends or special occasions. "Modern" Danish breakfasts, as I know them, are often hot or cold cereals, or a bowl of yogurt (perhaps with a topping).

--SVTCobra 02:39, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sfdan added the Danish section. You might discuss with him/her. I am clueless here. --Mothperson 09:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We have discussed the subject of meats at the Danish breakfast, and I have made a revision to the text from "ham and sausages" to "cold cuts" (with a list of specific cold cuts common). This way to avoid a misunderstanding that I refer to American-style breakfast "ham and sausages". Meats are not common to Danish breakfast, but "might" show up when a bigger more substantial spread is desired (for example, with guests, with a later breakfast, with a special occassion). But then breakfast traditions also vary from family to family. Sfdan 2 July 2005 04:23 (UTC)

Breakfast Time

"Breakfast is a meal, often light, usually eaten in the morning." Isn't it ALWAYS eaten in the morning? It would be called something other than breakfast if it's not eaten in the morning, right? Carson.Talk 30 June 2005 21:18 (UTC)

Well, that's a holdover from the somewhat weird first edition. However, I suppose if one worked the night shift, one might eat breakfast in the evening. Perhaps you could change it to something more along the lines of whenever one "breaks a fast". --Mothperson 30 June 2005 22:10 (UTC)

Hmmm... as a night time worker (1800–0600) I have always called my first meal of the day breakfast, although it may not contain the common breakfast ingredients. Employers (at least here in America) call your longest break, "Lunch", which would frequently be the second meal of the day. Dinner would round out the day at #3. Note I differentiate meal from snack... a meal normally is prepared/ordered with nutritional and portion needs addressed. A snack, would normally be a few bites of food, nutritional or not, to "hold one over" until the next meal. Are there any locations that have more than 3 meals per day? …Guy M… ^(soapbox) 16:50, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

There are plenty of other defined meal times such as brunch, morning tea (elevenses), afternoon tea, supper. I notice that an accurate definition of each meal becomes more difficult as the years go by as we dilute traditional definitions through the globalisation of culture. Meals seem to be generally based on the time of day rather than their content; shift workers excepted. Garglebutt 00:09, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Pizza

"An emerging tradition is to eat left-over pizza from dinner the night before (commonly called cold pizza, although sometimes reheated) for breakfast."

Well, of course you can eat whatever you want in the morning, maybe this is becoming a trend, but I dont know if thats really an emerging traditon. I suppose those people eating their left-over pizza usually get up at brunch/lunch time so they could easily eat whatever is left-over and usually they have a mikro-wave, so how many studies are there that the pizza has to be cold ?

Ok my point is just to remove this sentence.

Reference

Since it involves the citation of scientific evidence that is not referenced, I have made the modification of the sentence "Studies have indicated that food eaten early in the day is less likely to contribute to fat gain than food eaten in the evening and that people who regularly eat breakfast weigh less than those who do not." to "Studies have indicated that children and adolescents who usually have breakfasts generally consumed more daily calories than those who skip this meal and, yet, are less likely to be overweight." and added the reference:

Rampersaud G.C., Pereira M.A., Girard B.L., Adams J. and Metzl J.D.; Breakfast habits, nutritional status, body weight, and academic performance in children and adolescents. J. Am. Diet. Assoc., May;105(5):743-60, 2005.

--Jonnat 15:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Breakfast in Spain and Italy

I have merged the duplicated paragraphs (duplicated under Southern Europe and under Europe concerning breakfast in Spain and Italy. Please help me by checking these for factual accuracy — I'm not Spanish or Italian. Hajhouse 15:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Breakfasts

I have modified the section on Chinese breakfast as it varies greatly between different parts of China, not to mention Hong Kong and Taiwan. Feel free to modify it if you want to add something or know I have made any errors. --JNZ 06:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Continental Breakfast

There is a redirect from continental breakfast to this article - but it does not give a definition anywhere. Which is quite important as you will find it on most hotel reservations (atleast in europe). If Wikipedia does not define it then Wikipedia should not claim to know it. {delete}? Guidod 07:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

I don't understand the "2 out of 3" business from the introduction. Certainly there is no "rule" in this sense, and if there is, a citation would be necessary. The introduction should be reworded to make it clear that there are certain meals customarily called "breakfast," but that the definition is quite variable and loosely used in many cases. Lewallen 15:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wtf is wrong with the history section?

It really shouldn't start with The erosion of breakfast has been an ongoing trend in the West since at least the early 20th century, coinciding with later waking times than when most Westerners had agricultural occupations. That's like starting History of the United States with Worldwide public opinion of the US began to decline sharply in the 21s century.