Talk:Boxer (armoured fighting vehicle)

Something is fishy here.

> The Boxer is an eight-wheeled MRAV, easily dwarfing most contemporary vehicles with its size. At 33 ton combat weight, it is also about 10 tons heavier than many other contemporary vehicles within the same role. <

It is nigh impossible to support this much weight on 8 wheels, no matter how big, wide and low pressure tires you use! It will sink in mud like a submarine. The 33 metric tons is about the weight of a T-34/85 soviet battle tank, which uses caterpillar tracks for mobility. The soviet BTR-80 APC has difficulty supporting its own weight of a mere 14 metric tons on eight large wheels. This german monster is more than twice as heavy. The maximum 40-ton euro-standard cargo trucks use 18 wheels to support their weight and they are running on solid surface autobahns, not terrain. 82.131.210.162 08:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Soviet BTR-80 has a power/weight-ratio of 13.9 kW/t while the German Boxer has a ration of 16,1 kW/t (max weight). The Soviets also relay on a complety different technolgy. The quetions is: How much of its power does the BRT-80 bring on the track?

I mean, a Mercedes car has also a different efficiency level than a Russian Lada. Even if a Mercedes and a Lada should have the same power/weight-ratio, I'd say the Mercedes would still be the more powerful and faster car. IMHO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.112.206 (talk) 04:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

>>It is nigh impossible to support this much weight on 8 wheels, no matter how big, wide and low pressure tires you use!

That is not true. As an example, the worlds largest dump truck (weighing in at up to 600 metric tons) has only 6 wheels - and that is sufficient even to navigate the dangerous terrains of large scale surface mining operations. Many agricultural vehicles also weigh more than 15 tons and carry only 4 wheels.

>>The maximum 40-ton euro-standard cargo trucks use 18 wheels to support their weight and they are running on solid surface autobahns, not terrain.

Yes, 18 wheels on 5 axles... only one more than the Boxer. One of the reasons why Trucks have many wheels however is not the load itself, but the economy of having a standardized wheel size (which can be used on many different types of trucks) and, first and foremost, regulations to protect the road from damage.

Nothing generally speaks against a 33 ton 8-wheeler. One only has to find a technical solution.

-- Vandervahn (talk) 21:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The US Army builds a vehicle which has 36 metric tons, at least according French, German or Chinese articles, is based on only 6 wheels and has less power than the boxer. Have a look at Buffalo (mine protected vehicle) (Mcflashgordon (talk) 14:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)).

Protection

Does anyone have a source for the information given in this part? I'm pretty sure protection level is much higher than 12,7 mm allround. [1] EggyNL (talk) 12:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't lots of light armoured vehicles only protect against 7.62mm ammo? Geo Swan (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

parallel evolution?

Is this an instance of parallel evolution? Industrial espionage? Why does the Boxer look so similar to a Mowag Piranha?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 18:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I see little real resemblance there. Also the French VBCI shares a similar shape but still is a different design. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.1.211 (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

An anphibious vehicle?

Is this an amphibious vehicle?Agre22 (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)agre22

No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.203.45 (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

120mm mortar module

I searched the official website and brochure of ARTEC, but there is no reference about 120mm mortar module, but about these 9 kinds of module - Armoured Personnel Carrier, Armoured Engineer Group Vehicle, Ambulance, Command Post, Battle Damage Repair, Cargo, Cargo/C2, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, Driver Training Vehicle. Is there any reference about 120mm mortar module? - ImperatorMK (talk) 08:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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