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Requested move 22 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. SST flyer 10:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dog meat → Dog as food – After recent discussion at Duck as food, several pages have been moved from X (food) to X as food. I suggest that for consistency, we also move this article to Dog as food. Comments welcome. DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I re-formatted this so it'll list as an official RM. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, "Dog meat" seems to refer to dog food (i.e. what dogs eat). "Dog as food" spells it out, in mondo-Wikipedia style, for the semi-vegetarians (the misnomer of all misnomers). Randy Kryn 23:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: "dog as food" is nonsensical and uncommon nomenclature for subject. Just because there's other crap doesn't mean this should be dragged along with it. There is next to zero coverage for "duck as food", "dog as food" etc; they don't even pass the Google Test. "Dog meat" is the commonly used and accepted name for this and article should reflect that. -- dsprc ^[talk] 00:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Before the recent moves, by my count we had 10 articles titled "Foo meat" and and 12 on "Foo as food"; and except for "chicken as food", the "as food" article were exclusively seafoods (see {{Meat}} and {{Seafood}} for articles). The "as food" construction is really awkward, but I can see some cases where it is appropriate when subjects besides meat are mentioned (as in the chicken article which touches on rendered fat). This article really seems to be specifically about dog flesh, so keep at the present title. Plantdrew (talk) 05:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: per WP:CONSISTENCY, also WP:PRECISE; just putting 'meat' after a name doesn't really work very well. If we don't have a specific word for a type of meat (for example we have beef) then 'as meat' seems much more sensible. Additionally its not just the meat part of the dog that can be eaten, organs can also be eaten so the new title slightly improves the scope of the article. Ebonelm (talk) 12:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The word for dog meat in English is dog meat. -- dsprc ^[talk] 17:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: per WP:CONSISTENCY, also WP:PRECISE; there is precedent for this and it serves sprit of NPOV to keep things as neutral as possible. It makes sense to change this rather than duckmeat, cowmeat, chickenmeat, etc.?Melonbarmonster2 (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- How is the commonly accepted and used nomenclature "dog meat" not neutral? -- dsprc ^[talk] 18:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Melonbarmonster2 cites NPOV while having a long, long history of trying to whitewash this article. I believe he wishes "dog as food" because it sounds kinder. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - While I typically support WP:CONSISTENCY, it only makes sense to keep the page as "Dog meat" as per WP:COMMONNAME. Meatsgains (talk) 21:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I request this user's comment is ignored - the username indicates they clearly have a COI in retaining the original name (Joke!) DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:32, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose COMMONNAME supersedes consistency, especially in this case. Visitors expect to see the title as "dog meat". Few will arrive at the article and think "Say, that is not right. The title is not consistent with Chicken as food." because most will not have visited other consistent articles. Give visitors what they expect. Plus "dog meat" is not just somewhat common, it is extremely so. Almost every single book uses "dog meat". Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:15, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, for people citing WP:CONSISTENCY, please look at the source code of {{Meat}}. "Foo as food" is nowhere near a consistently used title. We have articles on alligator meat, kangaroo meat, turkey meat, cat meat, elephant meat, goat meat, horse meat, crab meat and whale meat as well as this one. There isn't a single article on meat from a mammal that uses the "as food" title (yes, there are several articles on mammal meats that have a specialized term: beef, veal, mutton, pork). Plantdrew (talk)
- Good point. And with one of the exceptions Chicken as food, that is not a bad title because so much of the animal that is not actually meat is used as food. With dog, the meat is eaten and not much else. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, it is a good point. It also further illustrates the inconsistency we have which was my motivation for starting this discussion. DrChrissy ^(talk) 16:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the consistency argument doesn't hold water: horse meat, whale meat, etc. X meat is the more common form when a meat doesn't go by another specified name (e.g. beef or pork).—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 21:28, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This question arises with respect to dogs because dogs can both eat meat and be eaten as meat. If someone makes a threat along the lines of "You're dog meat", they are presumably indicating that they want to feed you to dogs. There can be a nice disambiguation page to sort out the various meanings. —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- So put wikt: in the hat or external links with other sister projects. -- dsprc ^[talk] 10:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose – "Dog as food" is a totally artificial construct; Wikipedia is not in the business of inventing fancy, fashionable or politically correct names, the encyclopedia must reflect real-world use. Dog meat is meat. So is horse meat, lion meat and ostrich meat, irrespective of any editor's personal tastes or repulsiveness. — JFG ^talk 10:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Trendspotting: I suggest moving Anthropophagy → Human as food — JFG ^talk 10:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Support dog meat Peckerwoods (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Could someone please have a look? United States of America --> United States may be best. It used to start with how "dog" means sausage, and now start with "unfortunately". Both not so good. Shouldn't it start with legality, history of eating it in the US, etc.? I'll leave this to others because I haven't been in touch with this article for some time and I cannot access that NYT piece. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The content was POV, non-encyclopaedic, but worse still, completely unrelated to the source. DrChrissy ^(talk) 20:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, DrChrissy.

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