Talk:Priory of Sion

real and fictitious

In the introduction to the article it currently says: "The Prieuré de Sion, ..., is a name given to multiple groups, both real and fictitious ...", but then the whole article seems to be all about hoaxes and invented and claimed Prieurés. Did I miss something? --BjKa (talk) 12:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

My reaction as well, @BjKaltalk. --Sile

The History section of the article focuses on the real group while the rest of the article focuses on the fictitious one. --Loremaster (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

SHOW IT ALL NOW

the easy way to Lose a mystery in a fog or shadow is to archive parts of this debate area. show all archives immediately.Blondeignore (talk) 00:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I changed it from the misleading "multiple groups, both real and fictitious" to reflect the fact that the entire topic is connected to Plantard's 1956 group. Technically, Plantard's group existed de facto only during 1956, but the entire "hoax" was supposed to be a backstory to his outfit, so it is misleading to imply that there is one "real" and one "fictitious" group. It's all about Plantard, his group, and his hoax. It's "real" in the sense that he went to the local town hall and officially registered his group under the same name he gave to his world conspiracy. --dab (𒁳) 20:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

"One of the great hoaxes"

Who classified it as "one of the great hoaxes of the 20th century"? It seems its reception in the Anglosphere is severely distorted by the Dan Brown debacle of 2003ff (which is in the 21st century). The notability of the actual hoax seems to have remained rather limited. Who says it was a "cause celèbre" even in France? It was created in 1961ff. and it was apparently soundly debunked by 1980, so it had a lifetime of about 20 years, and was presumably not widely known during all this time. Perhaps it had some notability for a few years prior to being debunked in the 1970s (following the Chronicle documentaries)? But it would seem that any such superlatives require references supplied by whoever wishes to insert them into the article.

Fwiiw, here is a "listserve.com" list of 10 Great Hoaxes of the Twentieth Century, and the "Priory of Sion" is not on it. --dab (𒁳) 19:17, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

ok, so here is another "Top 10 Famous Hoaxes" list on listserve.com, where the Priory of Sion features as number six. It was posted by one Jamie Frater in 2007. Idk, this seems pretty random. We could say that "Jamie Frater on listserve.com counted it among the top 10 famous hoaxes", but this doesn't feel very rewarding, especially as the Wikipedia claim regarding "one of the great hoaxes" presumably predates 2007 and may well have influenced such internet lists. --dab (𒁳) 19:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

fine, I found something quotable, it's "France's greatest twentieth-century literary hoax" according to Katsoulis (2010). --dab (𒁳) 20:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

What will happen

What will happen once the bloodliine is found .is it possible to determine if the bloodline is the right one .my family name is de Thierry.i belive im part of the last remaining bloodline of the merovingian dynasty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roman deThierry (talk • contribs) 03:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Nothing. The Merovingian dynasty may have millions of descendents. Even if you were somehow proven to be the lineal descendant following proper rules precence in inheritence, there have been so many changes of regime, it would mean nothing. Paul B (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Ferfinand de Gonzague death date

14. Ferdinand de Gonzague (1527–1575)

referenced Ferdinand died on 1557

Ferrante I Gonzaga (also Ferdinando I Gonzaga; 28 January 1507- 15 November 1557) was an Italian condottiero, a member of the House of Gonzaga and the founder of the branch of the Gonzaga of Guastalla.

Possible error in all Prior "sources"

(Henn Sarv (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC))

"Myth", "debunked"

Can people please stop calling this a "myth"? It's misleading. Yes, journalists will use the word "myth" in this sense, and arguably "myth" in the sense of "lie" is a valid dictionary meaning, but it is still misleading, especially in a context where actual mythology is at least tangentially involved. Call it "hoax" or "narrative".

Also, the "Priory of Sion" cannot be "debunked" as unhistorical, as it is a perfectly real private association formed in 1956, and now considered "dormant". This society was formed as part of an elaborate hoax, but this doesn't make the society itself (or the hoax) unhistorical. What you mean is that the fake pedigree connecting the historical (1956) "Priory of Sion" to the just as historical (12th century) Abbey of Our Lady of Mount Zion has been debunked. --dab (𒁳) 16:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)