User talk:HowDoesThisEvenwork

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Self-published sources

Had to double-check, but no, per WP:SPS Wikipedia should "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." If Langkjer has had anything published about Søndergaard then we can quote that, but we shouldn't quote a statement about a living person which is only made on her own website. --McGeddon (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Torben Søndergaard

Hi there, just letting you know that I removed your speedy deletion tag on Torben Søndergaard because the article did not qualify for deletion under criterion A7. This criterion can only be used where the article does not credibly assert a basis for notability. If you believe the article fails any of Wikipedia's other notability policies and guidelines, the deletion will need to be discussed here. If you have any questions about this, please don't hesitate to contact me! Kind regards, — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 14:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:36, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Torben Søndergaard - Classic Hits

Hi. If that link to Classic Hits FM is a source for a claim, than please point it to the relevant show and episode. You can't expect people to go searching through the broadcasting archive from the station's main page, I think. Kind regards, Yintan 15:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Yintan: Probably, but I'm not going to spend time finding it. --HowDoesThisEvenwork (talk) 15:28, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting Søndergaard's websites

This is okay to some extent per WP:ABOUTSELF so long as it's not "unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim". It can be useful to pad out gaps which aren't otherwise filled by the secondary sources, although I agree there's probably too much here. The article shouldn't be an advert for the ministry, but it should give an interested reader some idea of what they get up to and what claims they make. --McGeddon (talk) 15:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@McGeddon: However, 1) there is reasonable doubt as to its authenticity as the guy in the same sources claims to hear from God and stuff, 2) the article is based primarily on such source. Therefore, they should be removed. I will undo your undoing of me undoing some other persons edit. You can undo it if you disagree, however, I can't see why you would. --HowDoesThisEvenwork (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You should wait a moment and read WP:3RR before reverting a revert of a revert of a revert... --McGeddon (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@McGeddon: Holy smoking giraffe, Wiki has way too many rules. However, do you disagree with the fact that 85% of the article is made up of stuff written by Torben Søndergaard, and it's not reliable material, thus should be removed?

No worries, you're not meant to learn all of the rules straight off, and often they just answer common sense points (like you wondering about whether I'd revert a revert of a revert of a revert of an etc - I wouldn't, because WP:3RR).

I agree there's a lot of WP:PRIMARY in there, I disagree that hacking every last sentence out to end up with "Torben Søndergaard claims to cure homosexuality" makes for a better article, to an interested reader coming here to find out who this guy is. It should be cut down to a basic overview of what Søndergaard thinks The Last Reformation is, and presented as such. By all means cut out anything that seems self-serving, but what we had (speaks to God, targets ill people in the street) seemed like a decent skeleton to start hanging better sources onto.

Note that your revert has also wiped out some secondary-sourced stuff I added about claiming to curing cancer and baptising people in bins. (I think the bins article had a bit about their practice of dragging people in off the street, also, so could have been attached as a source elsewhere.) --McGeddon (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@McGeddon: The guy in one breath claims to be in Hell, the next to hear God's audible voice and the next that he has a movement. The article itself is so problematic that it should not even exist. Especially considering the fact that it's not even a notably subject at all. Made this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Torben_Søndergaard --HowDoesThisEvenwork (talk) 15:41, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Odd claims don't mean we should throw primary quotes out, though - we've got a whole drawer full of List of messiah claimants. We obviously shouldn't say "Søndergaard can hear God audibly" as fact in Wikipedia's voice, but it may be useful to say "Søndergaard claims to be able to hear God audibly" if that helps fill out the article and tell the interested reader the kind of guy that he is. --McGeddon (talk) 15:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]