Talk:2017 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election

What is this article about?

If this article is about choosing the next leader of the party? then we should have little to nothing about the interim leadership race. GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Candidates

I was wondering if the article should distinguish between those who are official candidates and those who have announced they are running? Right now - as per the party's website - only Bernier, Leitch, Chong and Clement are official candidates. The others - to my knowledge - have yet to file all the appropriate paper work and pay the entry fee, it's quite possible that some could drop out before ever being official candidates. To me these candidates are almost no different than those who have publicly expressed interest. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 18:05, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Age

Age of the registered and declared candidates has been listed for some time (so I would say it's an established fact of the article). The other day I added the ages to the list of possible candidates. This was removed and then the ages were also removed from the registered/declared sections. I have restored that for the sake of consistency and because having the ages there has been the status quo for some time and thus their removal should be discussed. Age is mentioned in most news articles about the candidates and certainly is a factor in leadership elections (particularly if a candidate is considered "too old" or "too young" so I think it's a relevant biographical detail to include here unlike, say, birthplace or alma mater which would be more trivial. 192.235.252.195 (talk) 13:43, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

How is this relevant? We don't list the candidate's sex, race, ethic group or other irrelevant things, how is age important? - Ahunt (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Why does the press invariably mention a candidate's age without mentioning the other categories you list? Whether age should be an issue is a separate question but invariably there are candidates who electors may consider "too young" or "too old". 130.63.218.201 (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Here on Wikipedia we are not bound to do what the media does. Perhaps the media is trying to create age discrimination and influence the outcome, which by the way is a prohibited ground under Section 15 of the charter, but we don't have to do that here. If the media listed each candidate's sex there would be uneasy comments and if they listed race there would be howls of indignation. Why is promoting age discrimination okay? The charter deals with each prohibited grounds as equally unacceptable. - Ahunt (talk) 14:20, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Since more than a week has passed with no cogent arguments for listing ages, I will remove them as per this WP:CONSENSUS. - Ahunt (talk) 14:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

The only person I see here supporting a change is User:Ahunt. One person for and one person against is NOT consensus for a change. 142.204.244.61 (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

A consensus consists of all editors who are interested in discussing the matter. Everyone was given the chance to participate and most other editors watching the page declined to do so. No logical arguments were made for including this, so the consensus carries. - Ahunt (talk) 14:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

And it's one for and one against the change so there's no consensus for your proposal. 142.204.244.61 (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, since you're an involved party, you cannot be the one who closes. Has to be an uninvolved editor. 142.204.244.61 (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

I've opened an RFC in order to (hopefully) engage more than two people in the discussion and resolve the issue. See below. 142.204.244.61 (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Opinion Polling

I don't have time to do this at the moment but in the opinion polling charts, Clement, MacKay, and Kenney should be removed and moved into the other category. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

RFC: Candidate ages

Should the candidate ages be removed from the bios in this article? 142.204.244.61 (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

• Keep - age of the registered and declared candidates has been listed for some time. Age is mentioned in most news articles about the candidates and certainly is a factor in leadership elections (particularly if a candidate is considered "too old" or "too young" so I think it's a relevant biographical detail to include here unlike, say, birthplace or alma mater which would be more trivial. 142.204.244.61 (talk) 15:20, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
• Remove - This has not been shown to be relevant. Just because the general media tries to make an issue of it doesn't mean we have to copy them here on Wikipedia. Of note, discrimination on the basis of age is a prohibited ground under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which means a very strong case is needed to discriminate on this basis in Canada. We don't list other prohibited grounds, such as sex, sexual orientation, skin colour or religion, so why would be discriminate on this ground? - Ahunt (talk) 15:46, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: The Charter argument is irrelevent. People vote how they vote and it would be impossible to sue individuals because they considered age when deciding who to vote for. The Charter also doesn't prevent us from listing age as Wikipedia is not an institution of the federal government and the Charter only applies to government. If the Charter was relevant than various newspapers in Canada, as well a the CBC, could be prosecuted for habitually listing the age of peopele who are subjects of news articles. 192.235.252.195 (talk) 01:31, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - It would certainly be of encyclopedic interest if, say, the CPC elected its youngest or oldest leader ever - so I would suggest that listing ages is, in general, encyclopedic. Heterodidact (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)