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Latin Name

Without getting into a lame edit war I'd like to note that the Seal of the University which is stamped onto my testamurs contains the Latin name TERRAE REGINAE UNIVERSITAS.

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Let's get this lede back to being a summary

The Manual of Style tells us that the lede pragraphs should be a summary of the article, covering the main points. However, much of the content of the lede paragraphs does not appear elsewhere in the article. I have relocated some of the material on the global rankings and alumni into the sections that already existed for that purpose. But the lede still contains a lot of information e.g. membership of Group of Eight etc that are not mentioned elsewhere in the article. It also lists a campus in New Orleans which is not mentioned in the later section on the campuses (nor on the UQ web page for its campuses! it would appear to be an affiliate relationship relating specifically to the UQ medical school). Try and think about it from the reader's point of view. What is a reader coming to this page most likely to want to know from a summary section. If it's too cluttered with "irrelevant to me" information, people will stop reading it. Kerry (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

To avoid becoming involved in an editing war I'm asking for other opinion on statements that IP addresses keep adding. I have previously removed these.

UQ's main campus has been ranked as one of the most beautiful campuses in the world by New York's BuzzFeed.[1]

  1. ^ http://www.buzzfeed.com/spenceralthouse/most-beautiful-college-campuses-in-the-world
  • I removed this because I don't believe buzzfeed is a reliable source, this is just an editors opinion and drawing the conclusion that it is "one of the most beautiful" is subjective. Aloneinthewild (talk) 11:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that such a vague statement from a non-reliable source should not be included. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed - It is a subjective claim and the fact that it is from Buzzfeed is even more of a reason to remove. Meatsgains (talk) 02:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed, but... summoned by bot - I would instead write "The campus has been recognized for its beauty", and source it with this [[1]] AND the buzzfeed source. The statement is true, and two sources are better than just the buzzfeed one. Win-win. Love the shots, even if they are missing Cornell.Timtempleton (talk) 14:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree this shouldn't be added, but I'm warming up to Timtempleton's idea. After all, this isn't an isolated occurrence and I'm sure more sources can be found to substantiate such a neutral claim as proposed. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 12:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Absolutely, that should not be included in the article. It is considered promotion which is not only not permitted in Wikipedia articles, but the statement is not true nor is it supported by any legitimate references or citations. If the offending editor continues to add the text, we'll need to look at an IP ban. Damotclese (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok so the consensus seems to be remove. Timtempleton I'm a bit confused by your suggestion. The other source you provide is hardly reliable since it has last than 100 page views, I think we would need citation from a major news source Aloneinthewild (talk) 21:54, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • There are two sources that say the campus is beautiful. Because of that, no matter how you personally feel about the validity or popularity of those sources, the campus has been recognized for its beauty. Someone had to take a photo(s) and write some text. That's why I thought the statement should be "The campus has been recognized for its beauty". It seems harmless - the source gets added - yet the simpler verbiage is undeniably accurate. With apologies to Groucho Marx, what are you going to believe - these remove votes or your own eyes? But I also agree with User:Elinruby below. Nobody really cares except UQ alumni or prospective students - I'm just participating because I volunteered to help in these situations and was also summoned by a bot. Life will go on, but I thought I was clever enough to find some middle ground to satisfy everyone. Isn't that more the spirit of the site?Timtempleton (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Bottom line, @Timtempleton: this is not the hill I would choose to die on. But, to take the issue seriously for a moment, look, if the statement is common knowledge it almost doesn't need a source, at least not according to journalism, which, ok, is not wikipedia. If someone says that this is not common knowlege, especially if they say it isn't true, then either an acceptable source must be found or the statement can't stay. But I see no reason why you couldn't cite the UQ web page for some statement like "UQ is proud of the beauty of its campus"... if it absolutely has to be "one of the most beautiful" then yes it needs a source and I'd say a buzzfeed listicle is slightly worse than nothing. Hope that helps. Going back to the police officer murder trial article I was working on. Just mentioning that to explain a little my rather rude remark that nobody cares ;)
btw wp:irs might be helpful....Elinruby (talk) 00:47, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • it's not exactly news tho is it. However Buzzfeed is really not an RS no matter what, or Quora. If I google "University of Queensland beautiful campus" the first couple of pages at least are all University of Queensland. There might be something to be done with saying the university highlights the beauty of its campus in its recruiting or positioning (?) or there may be an actual source if someone looks hard enough. But if somebody is disputing the statement that it is beautiful I think you have to remove it, as there is no readily apparent secondary source, unless of course the person who wants the statement can find one I suppose. It's not however some priceless piece of knowledge humanity can't do without; I doubt anyone cares but UQ and maybe UQ alumns. Summoned by bot. Elinruby (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and add citations needed tag per WP:Preserve. University_of_Notre_Dame has a similar statement:"In September 2011, Travel&Leisure listed Notre Dame as having one of the most beautiful college campuses in the United States."CuriousMind01 (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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