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Deletion of Sierra Industries

Sierra Industries (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Hello, I had offered a substantial answer to accusations that this page was for promotional purpose. I wish I would have received a bit of feedback on that before the page was deleted, and maybe pointers about which part to change. I suppose it is mostly the "According to company line" part. The problem is that the commercial pitch of the company is expressed in their catalogue through graphs and figures. For example, the "Dove" Wiki has a similar paragraph: In 2004, Dove began its Campaign for Real Beauty, followed by the creation of the Dove Self-Esteem Fund in 2006 by Geyner Andres Gaona. It purports to be "an agent of change to educate and inspire girls on a wider definition of beauty and to make them feel more confident about themselves". That's clearly a direct regurgitation of that company's promotional spin, but the Wiki writer only needs to use quotation marks to point the attention of the reader to that. Since I felt I couldn't synthetically express the facts and figures boasted by the company to explain its business, I condensed their meaning in one sentence devoid of appreciative, emotional language, and took care to add "According to the company line" at the beginning to signify that my sentence was merely about the company's own perception of its contributions to the US aircraft market (effectively fulfilling the same role as the quotation marks used in the Dove article, since I couldn't myself use a direct quote). Since the claims made by the company are fairly standard and not particularly hard to believe, I felt that was fair. Greetings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomcontrib (talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@Randomcontrib: New posts go to the bottom of a talk page, as is outlined in the section above marked "Please read before posting". People don't look for new posts at the top of a talk page, so they're likely to get missed if you put them there. Also, Wikipedia is not "wiki". This stuff aside, it threw in marketese like "patent portfolio", had unnecessary puffery, e.g., "...gained prominence..." (according to whom?), "...popular Eagle modification...", (popular according to whom?), "...product lines based on proprietary STCs." (Like what, and why's that significant?) It's not the worst I've seen, and there might be some salvageable references, so if you'd like, I'll restore it as a draft. But the resulting article will need substantial amounts of reference material that is about the company, not its products and not its industry in general. If that reference material doesn't exist, an article on it wouldn't be appropriate. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:33, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Undue warning

bsd. While my talk page is a big collection of orphaned image warnings, it is certainly NOT because i use wikipedia as an image storage. I deal almost exclusively with logos, which are almost always non free. Logos are constantly being changed by their owners, and also by other wikipedians uploading better versions. Being non-free, old versions must be deleted. Also, quite a few articles have their notability disputed, and the associated logos are orphaned as a result. More broadly, you will see that all notices on my page are bot generated, and none are for vandalism or inappropriate editing. Also, I've been around for quite some time, and made quite a few contributions, so i know what i'm doing. Just a little clarification.--Ben Stone 06:44, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Recreation of Sharon Joseph

Hello, I had already approached you earlier regarding the recreation of the deleted article Sharon Joseph. You had already advised me earlier to create the same as a draft. I sincerely apologize as I was not able to follow up with your instructions then. May I request your help once again as to how I may create this article as a draft - as to, how I could submit the same to you for you to check and go through before the article can actually be published? I would really appreciate your help! Thank you very much in anticipation! kalepradip 07:25, 26 October, 2016 (UTC)

@Kalepradip: You'd write the draft at Draft:Sharon Joseph. Once you think it's ready to submit to articles for creation, I could certainly have a look at it and bring up any issues I might see. I'm not an AfC reviewer, though, so my advice would be strictly informal. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: Thank you very much for your revert. May I also clarify, that once I create the draft with the aforesaid headline as you have advised, the article remains unpublished, until you have a look at the same? And how would I be able to bring it to your notice too? kalepradip 11:08, 26 October, 2016 (UTC)

You can drop me a note on my talk page. But again, I will only be taking an informal look over it. A reviewer from articles for creation will do the actual review, and will either move it into the encyclopedia if it's suitable to do so, or call attention to any problems if it's not. If not, you can fix those problems (provided they are fixable, if the problem is just that there isn't enough source material out there, nothing to be done for that), and try again. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 19:42, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: I understand. I hope to create the article as per the norms and then share it with you. Thank you once again kalepradip 13:23, 28 October, 2016 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: I have created the draft of Sharon Joseph @ Draft:Sharon Joseph, of course since I'm considerably new to editing on Wikipedia, there is lot of help that this page needs. Would you be kind enough to go through the draft and help make the necessary changes to the same, please? Your help would be really appreciated! Thank you very much! kalepradip 11:07, 31 October, 2016 (UTC)

You don't need to ping me on my talk page. I'll already receive a notice any time a message left on it. I'm afraid I don't have the time to read the reference material and write it myself. Some issues of note:

• Your references are not done correctly. Some of the tags are improper. Also, references should be used next to the statement they are intended to support, not just piled up at the bottom of the article.
• The large tables are probably excessive. Those should be reworked into prose.
• Last name, not first. The first time she's referenced, it should be "Sharon Joseph". After that, references to her should be "Joseph", not "Sharon".

Have a go at getting those fixed and I can take another look. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:03, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Austin Huns Rugby

Hello, my first article was recently deleted for "(G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)." I went through your help page to get more information on what both of these notices meant but I still slightly confused. If you could help me that would be great. Anything that was quoted another website, I was sure to put a reference to it so it wouldn't be considered plagiarism. Also, it was not meant to be "advertising or promotion" necessarily. I say necessarily because anything dealing with sports teams on Wikipedia could be considered promotion to an extent lol. Any help you can provide on this case would be greatly appreciated. This is the 1st of many articles I plan to produce on the rugby teams in the south, specially in the Red River Conference to begin.JustinXHale87-2305(UTC), October 29, 2016

@JustinXHale87: There's plenty of promotional fluff in that one. Consider "...have developed an organization and a culture that have produced winning teams, first class coaches and players. The club is dedicated to developing athletes for national and international rugby competition, who are also constructive and contributing members of our community. They take pride in our contributions to improve the City of Austin, our organization, and the culture of athleticism in the Unites States." Total brochure fluff. Articles are required to be strictly neutral in both tone and content, and to not "talk up" or promote the subject of the article. That's one example of fluffy, promotional language, but by no means the only one. As to the copyright infringement, significant portions of the article are copied verbatim from other sources. A reference is not enough in those cases. Small numbers of direct quotes are permitted where they are absolutely essential to the article, but must be enclosed in quotation marks or a quote block. Just providing a reference isn't enough if the content is copied word for word, and in no case should substantial portions of an article consist of text directly copied from a nonfree source even if it is properly quoted. In this case, the copied material was also promotional. We'd of course expect that from material the organization wrote about itself, but since we require neutrality, we should paraphrase that into neutral terminology rather than dumping it verbatim into the article. Finally, you'll need to demonstrate that the organization is notable. This will mean that reliable sources independent of the subject (having no connection with the subject and no interest in promoting it) have written substantial amounts of reference material about it. The bulk of what is used in the article should be these independent, reliable, neutral sources, not, for example, material published by the organization itself. If such reference material doesn't exist in significant quantities and from multiple sources, an article on the subject isn't appropriate at all. If it is available, the article should primarily consist of material referenced from those independent third-party sources, with self-published material used very sparingly and only to reference uncontroversial facts, like for example who the leader of the organization is. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 15:01, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

URGENT

I'm dealing with two rogue users, either related or sockpuppets of eachother. They keep editing Saptaparna Chakraborty. The page is meant to be a redirect, which you know about and fixed, then they put the page back, and I put the redirect back. This is an edit war. I reported them for sockpuppetry, but nothing has happened. Please block them. Adotchar (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Adotchar: Looks like Bishonen has taken care of it. As an aside, if you put your header as "Urgent" in all caps and bold tags, and nothing is burning, no one is bleeding, and no one's at imminent risk of death, you stand pretty good odds of irritating someone rather than getting your desired result. This isn't urgent. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 19:42, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, it was before Bishhonen took care of it. It turned to an edit war of sorts. Adotchar (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

so will you tell me the pattern or procedure to write the page on the wiki?