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Before adding a movie to the list, please:

Make sure that it is widely considered one of the worst films: There are hundreds of "bad" or even "crappy" films, this page is for the unqualified, out and out worst.

Check the list of films removed from this article to see if it has already been considered. Likewise, please add to the removed list any films deleted from the main article.

This article was nominated for deletion on August 31, 2003. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on May 30, 2004. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on August 23, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on September 4, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on June 4, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Caligula

Caligual is a famously awful movie--everyone attached to it disowned it. Yet it keeps getting deleted. What's up with that?

Is there any evidence that it's considered one of the worst movies ever? Just because the people who worked on it disliked the end result, that doesn't automatically qualify. Mark Grant 18:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind, famously awful doesn't necessarilty = "worst ever". The main reason for people insisting on stringent criticism for films is that this page easily has the potential to become FLOODED with films that were just mediocre[sp] at best, or highly divisive ones (EG. Titanic (movie)), which will then just dissolve this into a huge flame war. 68.39.174.238 18:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very surprised that this article has survived so many AfD's! This is non encyclopedic, and imho, should be changed simply to a list of the the Worst ever films. This does not belong as an encyclopedia article. Thor Malmjursson 10:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC) ^{Bite Me!!!'}[reply]

I don't see why that would matter: there's no objective way of determining the 'worst ever films', but there are objective ways of determining 'films considered the worst ever'... for example, having won a 'worst movie' award from a notable critic or organisation. And on that subject, I still don't understand why Caligula is listed? Cheesy and bizarre, certainly, disowned by some of the people involved, yes, but I don't see any justification on the page for it being considered among 'the worst ever'. Mark Grant 23:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So anyway, can anyone think of a reason why Caligula should be on a list of 'films considered the worst ever'? I'm not aware of it winning worst movie awards or being judged as such by important critics, and there's no mention of any in the article: if it was a list of 'movies disowned by people involved' then fine, but currently I don't think it belongs here. If no-one can come up with a reason in the next few days I'll remove it, or if there is an objective reason we should add it to the article. Mark Grant 02:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last call for keeping Caligula on the list. In fact, I'm tempted to remove the entire 'Disowned by the makers' section, as it seems out of place here: maybe it should be a separate article of its own? Mark Grant 12:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Caligula is gone. If anyone wants to re-add it, please include an explanation as to why it's 'considered the worst ever' rather than just being disowned by many of the people involved. Mark Grant 16:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Jaani Dushman: Ek Anokhi Kahani"

http://imdb.com/title/tt0326983/

If you think that the "Turkish Star Wars" belongs in this article please see this film its absolutely hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Its a recent horror Bollywood film that rips off various Hollywood films such as Terminator, Mission Impossible, Matrix etc.

Though not well known in Western circles this film was derided by the Indian public which is a lot considering the amount of poor quality films produced in India that are considered classics at home.

This film is easy to find on ebay, you don't even need subtitles to enjoy it (though it may enhance the hilarity due to poorly written script). I honestly think that this would make the article so I would reccomend that you watch it for a quick laugh.

I've removed it for the moment (along with 'Alien Beasts') as both sound bad but neither has an assertion of being considered among the worst ever. Feel free to add it again if you can cite some support for that claim. Mark Grant 08:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency

Why is it that "Immediate additions" lists a film from 2005, yet other sections include films from 2005 and 2006? If 2005-6 isn't too recent for the other sections we don't need an immediate additions section. Ken Arromdee 21:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that section should go too, though maybe 'Alone in the Dark' should stay in a different part of the article. Mark Grant 22:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. I didn't know where to fit those two films into the "Reasons" list when I created it so I left it there. If they can be integrated into a section explaining why it failed, it would definately help clean up the page. 68.39.174.238 21:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved "Alone" out of there. I don't know where to stick "Material", "Stars" maybe? 68.39.174.238 22:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disowned by the makers

It seems to me that most of the movies listed as 'disowned by the makers' do have legitimate claims to being considered among the worst ever, but it's not clear to me why they're in a separate section? Is there a good reason for separating them out in this way, particularly when it encourages the addition of other movies (e.g. 'Burn Hollywood Burn' and 'Caligula') which may be disowned but don't include an assertion of being 'considered the worst ever'? Mark Grant 16:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most of those films I couldn't fit into the "Reasons" hierarchy when I threw that together, so left them there. If you can fit them in somewhere in a section describing the reasons for their failure, I'll gladly see that section disappear. Infact, let me see if I can do some of that myself, now... 68.39.174.238 21:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Got rid of Catwoman (Moved to new section). Not sure about the rest— someone more knowledgeable about them should see if they can go elsewhere or just delete some. 68.39.174.238 22:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Burn, Hollywood, Burn' seems the only one of dubious merit for the article as the others have at least one critic or award claiming they're one of the worst movies of their year, or worse. I'll see if I can move the others around and delete the section, but it may take a few hours as I have to go shopping soon :). Mark Grant 18:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think I found reasonable homes for them in the end. I'm not certain about 'The Conqueror', but from the online reviews I read it does seem that John Wayne was seriously miscast and that was a major contribution to the failure of the movie (I'm sure I've seen it in the distant past but don't remember much). Mark Grant 20:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. Getting all lists on the page into a coherent, unified hierarchy definately makes this page look better and should help prevent the addition of one-off dislikes (Especially new contentious films in the "Immediate additions" one). 68.39.174.238 01:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Authenticity of Supernova Editor

"All hell is about to break loose." One of the crowning cinematic taglines in history.

We should question the authenticity of the claim that the movie "Supernova" is listed as one of the worst movies ever made. This movie has developed a huge cult following, and has it's rightful place on many collectors shelves. We will never see another movie with such an amazing plot line or starring characters. Easily James Spader best achievement, "Watch him as he escapes with his life from a supernova! The most massive explosion in the universe!" As quoted by the director.

Well, I can't comment on that, but I don't think the entry justifies its inclusion. I'd delete it unless there's more support for it being 'considered one of the worst movies ever'. Mark Grant 22:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it for the time being. It can be put back if someone can justify it being 'considered the worst ever'. Mark Grant 18:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Godfather: Part III

While Godfather III isn't widely considered to be one of the worst films of all time, it has got to be one of the most loathed sequels of all time, in comparison to it's predecessors. There have been multiple pop-culture references related to its (lack of) quality (example: Fat Tony of the Simpsons: "I haven't cried this hard since I paid to see Godfather 3.") an it is pretty much universally known to be one of the biggest disapointments in cinematic history. It did recieve an above-average rating on IMDB and a 77% on rottentomatoes, but nearly every positive review unfavourably compares it to the first two films. I believe it should be in the "sequels" section, because it may be the most unfavorably referenced film in pop culture. --C civiero 21:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still doesn't make it considered the worst ever. Much as I dislike Godfather III I think I'd delete it straight away if added, as I can't see any way that it meets the requirements. Maybe 'worst acting ever by a relative of the director' :). Mark Grant 22:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but I've heard more negative comments about it than any other movie, so I thought I'd throw it out there. --C civiero 04:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Valley of the Dolls?

I am just curious as to why Valley of the Dolls is not on this list? It is certainly an over-the-top mess, is well-established as a "so-bad-it's-good" camp classic, and received plenty of critical ire when it was released. I am just surprised it's listed neither on this page nor on the "List of movies deleted from this page"! Danflave 17:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about Xanadu? Danflave 17:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are they 'considered the worst ever'? Merely being bad isn't really enough. Mark Grant 18:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I'd certainly say so - especially Valley of the Dolls. Mark Grant - have you seen this film? Even the films stars admit it was a "terrible" movie (For example, when asked about his early years, Richard Dreyfuss replied: "I was in the last 45 seconds of the worst movie ever made!" When asked why the film was a camp classic, star Barbara parkins replied, "Because it is so... bad") The film is also included in The Official Razzie Movie Guide: Enjoying the Best of Hollywood's Worst by John Wilson as well as The Fifty Worst Films of All Time by Harry Medved with Randy Dreyfuss and Michael Medved. Do I need to continue? Mark Grant - I find it very hard to understand why Material Girls is on this page but not a terrible classic like Valley of the Dolls. Danflave 04:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Uninvolved passerby): It's probably best to have not seen a film you're going to add. Much like writing about yourself, trying to judge a bad film you've seen tends to produced skewed results.

Concerning the film itself, if you can find legit reviews explicitly stating it to be "one of the worst..." then, not to be short, but... {{sofixit}}. 68.39.174.238 20:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arrangement of Article

The arrangement of the current edition of the article does not agree. I've read about half thus far, and it is disappointing to see that the first portion is arranged chronologically, while the second is alphabetical. As such, I am arranging the whole article chronologically. Crisco 1492 22:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, where do the first few movies go? Are they there because universally they are considered worst ever? If so, they should have a subtitle explaining that. Crisco 1492 22:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Re-ordering sounds good, I was wondering about what order they should be in yesterday when moving things around... Mark Grant 09:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel words

I'll keep it short: If I were to mention the amount of weasel words in this article, it would take me hours. This article is in serious need of cleanup. Ohyeahmormons 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blood Rayne

I notice that this movie is left off the list. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it earn a 01% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a spot on the 100 worst movies of all time on IMDB before it was even released? I think it should be added to the list. 154.20.135.89 21:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]