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This article has serious issues in regards to WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:V / WP:RS, WP:TRIVIA, WP:COATRACK, etc., etc. At least 3/4 of the material – all this pointless detail-mongering and name-dropping – in this piece could simply be deleted. Start with all the organization details that do not pertain directly to the subject of the article, then the biographizing about descendants (I deleted the granddaughter's name for privacy reasons), all the non-notable organization namedropping (redlink? throw it out), and so on. Then move on to the WP:PEACOCK wording and other puff-piece junk, like dwelling on how many homes they have, etc. This article on minor notables in the business world is longer than many of our articles on major figures of world history but provides only about 10% as much encyclopedic value, and is mostly sourced to primary sources, and low-quality news sources like local newspaper and their websites and blogs. The article is being treated like it's the personal webpage of Besty DeVos, and it's pretty clear there's WP:COI editing going on here.

All of the above pertains to her husband's article, too.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:49, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree with you. The career section is filled with trivia and one-sided peacocking. The board memberships section is completely unreferenced -- a tedious resume-like list. The article also seems to be completely lacking in coverage of the more controversial aspects about DeVos, like the criticism she has received for her efforts at school privatization; for example, All Children Matter was found to have broken campaign finance laws in 2008 and had not paid a $5.2 million fine levied against the organization. Rhode Island Red (talk) 23:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just for starters. I only encountered this page while WP:GNOMEing, and am pretty appalled at both the promotional trivia-mongering and studious avoidance of any critical material, though lots of it is instantly findable via Google. Ditto for the husband's article too.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I reverted one edit, whose aim was to remove the "personal life" section, as it would have been non-standard layout for a Wikipedia article. Her philanthropy on education reform is philanthropic, not politics, as far as I can tell...Moreover, I think her residences should be added back, as that is standard information on Wikipedia, unless there is a clear safety issue (which we would understand).Zigzig20s (talk) 04:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I also dewikified the red links, which brought nothing to this article. I don't think the article needs further trimming. If you do, can you please give us specific examples where you'd like to trim? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think the removal you reverted was mine - but my removals were bold, and I have no problem with people putting stuff back in if they think it was removed in error. That's assuming you're not going to re-insert all of the fluffy quotes and resume style lists, of course! Fyddlestix (talk) 05:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the history and we don't need fluffy language about her residences; just where she resides and the name of her yacht I suppose. Again, we can remove them for safety reasons if they ask (even though Wikipedia is not censored).Zigzig20s (talk) 05:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:Fyddlestix: Just added them back without fluffy language. Does this sound OK to you?Zigzig20s (talk) 05:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah it looks fine to me Zig, like I said don't worry about reverting me if you think there's something that needs to go back in. That's fine! Fyddlestix (talk) 05:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2016

She is not a successor to John King. She is a nominee, she has not been confirmed by the U.S. Senate. The same for any other head of a federal agency named by Trump. Please correct all such entries, including this one with Nominee 2601:14F:4402:F1D9:E8CD:EFFA:74A9:7BD5 (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2016 (UTC) 2601:14F:4402:F1D9:E8CD:EFFA:74A9:7BD5 (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The article says she is a nominee. RudolfRed (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2016

It makes absolutely no sense to include that the subject's MOTHER supported Proposition 8 under the Early Life and Education section. It also makes no sense for the author to go on to define Proposition 8. Obviously the author is making a biased statement about the subject by linking her to a position that may or may not have been held by her mother. It certainly has nothing to do with "Early Life" and "Education" as the Subject was in her 50's when Proposition 8 was an issue. Please remove this statement entirely. Doniboy71 (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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