Talk:The Juniper Tree (fairy tale)
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This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Morenoj, Rcarlton98, Ash h (article contribs). Peer reviewers: JEbberhart0, Bensonsmith, Taylormonti.
Motifs
I added an entry regarding motifs in the short story, The Juniper Tree. The themes I added included cannibalism and the parallel between food and death. Citations were added. Morenoj (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Bibliography Suggestions
I suggest adding the following scholarly sources to the article:
- Markman, Roberta Hoffman. “The Fairy Tale: An Introduction to Literature and the Creative Process.” College English, vol. 45, no. 1, 1983, pp. 31–45. www.jstor.org/stable/376915
- David, Alfred, and Mary Elizabeth David. “A Literary Approach to the Brothers Grimm.” Journal of the Folklore Institute, vol. 1, no. 3, 1964, pp. 180–196. www.jstor.org/stable/3813902
- Zipes, Jack. “The Contamination of the Fairy Tale, or The Changing Nature of the Grimms' Fairy Tales.” Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts, vol. 11, no. 1 (41), 2000, pp. 77–93. www.jstor.org/stable/43308420
Rcarlton98 (talk) 21:17, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Suggestions for improvement
I have three main suggestions in order to improve the article. First off, I think that the synopsis needs to be shortened. The length it is now serves more as a Sparknotes page than a summary on Wikipedia. Secondly, I like what you did, Jonathan, in regards to adding the Motifs sections. However, I believe this section can be expanded. Lastly, I think that we should add a section for describing individually characters. That way the synopsis does not need to waste time explaining the characters. Rcarlton98 (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Additional sources and response to previous comment
I will add the following scholarly sources to the article:
CARSCH, HENRY. “THE ROLE OF THE DEVIL IN GRIMMS' TALES: AN EXPLORATION OF THE CONTENT AND FUNCTION OF POPULAR TALES.” Social Research, vol. 35, no. 3, 1968, pp. 466–499. www.jstor.org/stable/40969921.
Stein, Mary Beth. “The Journal of American Folklore.” The Journal of American Folklore, vol. 103, no. 408, 1990, pp. 227–229. www.jstor.org/stable/541864.
Robert, Marthe, and Wyley L. Powell. “The Grimm Brothers.” Yale French Studies, no. 43, 1969, pp. 44–56. www.jstor.org/stable/2929635.
In response to Rcarlton98, I agree on all of your points. Adding a characters list will shorten the synopsis. In regards to the motifs section, it is not yet completed. Coming soon! It is my full intention to add additional themes. More will be added by the end of the week. Your feedback is appreciated, thank you! Morenoj (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Recent edits
I have slightly changed the Synopsis. I took out a few sentences that I found to be unnecessary, edited words that I felt were bias, and added some information I felt was missing. I am planning to edit this section more later because I do not feel as if it is complete. Additionally, I added the characters header to the article. However, I did not have time to actually list out all of the characters yet. I am hoping to get that section done some time next week.
In response to Morenoj, I am glad to see all of the edits you have done so far. I am looking forward to continuing to work on this article with you! Rcarlton98 (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Revisions
I added a revisions section to the article. I am hoping that this section can eventually be merged with the Adaptions section in order to save space in the article. I added a source into the source lists as well as added an "introduction" header to the beginning of the article. I am also hoping to work on the characters section today which should allow me to shorten the Synopsis even more. Rcarlton98 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I deleted the revisions section of this article. I felt that this section was two similar to the Adaptions section and served no purpose in the article. However, I did not completely get rid of the original post. Instead, I moved it to the Adaptions section. Secondly, I added a Guardianship to the Motifs section of the article because I found it to be a very common theme in "The Juniper Tree." I am hoping to do more edits soon! Rcarlton98 (talk) 18:27, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Revised Synopsis
Today I worked on the synopsis. I found the original to still be a bit long. It is now shorter and more concise while still offering a coherent plot description. I think Ruth did a nice job in adding the "guardianship motif" and Ashley did a great job too with the characters list. Keep up the good work guys! Morenoj (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Morenoj, I appreciated your revised version of the synopsis. However it appears that somebody came in and changed it. They increased the length to three paragraphs with a great deal of details. As there is no entry in the talk regarding this change I have reverted it back to your version. In addition, I fixed a few grammatical errors. Rcarlton98 (talk) 18:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Revised to Motifs
I added two additional motifs to the section. These motifs included Song and Gift Giving. A citation was added. Morenoj (talk) 22:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Edits
I added characters and their descriptions to the character section, like Rcarlton98 was talking about. I made the descriptions brief so let me know if more detail needs to be added. Ash h (talk) 04:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello. I added more details to the character list so that the synopsis can now be reduced in size and future readers will still get a significant amount of details about the story. Later I will edit the synopsis, making it more concise since majority of the details are now found in the character section. Ash h (talk) 05:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)