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textfiles.com

Hi. Why did you list textfiles.com for deletion? I don't care about your petty conflict with ANSI artists and your vendetta against their articles, but textfiles.com is by no means VfD material. You may list it again and find out yourself. It has been in Wired, on Slashdot and in multiple other mainstream media. It has a page rank between 40 and 100 000 and has existed for 6 years.

Note that I am not affiliated with Textfiles.com, Jason Scott or any sort of scene, although they all interest me.

By all means, list the article for deletion again. I'd be very curious as to how you'd phrase it. — David Remahl 07:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • I have no idea what you mean with vendetta against ANSI artists. I listed Textfiles.com for one reason only, and that is that I have doubts about it's notability. If it is important enough there will be enough keep votes and you'll have nothing to worry about. Wyllium 07:56, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I confused you with someone else, I think. — David Remahl 08:00, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • Comment by User:Jscott deleted as it wasn't addressed at me, but the above poster. Wyllium 08:40, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
        • I have to disagree, the comment left by Jscott was, indirectly atleast, very much addressed to you. My worry isn't whether or not the article will survive, as I'm confident that it will. My real concern is over your better judgement (or lack thereof) before going ahead and VfD'ing an article as it's beginning to take shape. Give articles a chance to get off the ground and establish notability before rushing to fire them off to Votes for Deletion. Secondly, it is well established that this subject is noteworthy and had you taken the same amount of time it takes to fully process a VfD nomination and used it to verify the fact that it is noteworthy you would have given fellow Wikipedians a few precious moments of their life back that they could've spent on more important issues. --[[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 08:49, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
          • For the third time, if it is important enough, it will receive enough keep votes and there's nothing to worry about. With repect to Jscott, he's totally welcome to discuss anything with me, as long as he actually discusses it with me. Communication between you two should go on your or his talk page. Wyllium 08:54, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
            • Wyllium, you're not really addressing what I'm driving at here, so I'll spell it out for you, in plain English. It's very clear after minimal (or extensive, take your pick) research that TEXTFILES.COM indeed passes even some of the strictest notability bars I've seen during my experience with Wikipedia and VfD. That said, I would like for you to do exactly that, go forth and spend some time understanding what it is you nominated, and state your case on the VfD page with a vote. Surely you held an opinion before nominating or else you wouldn't have done so in the first place. [[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 09:11, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
        • Wyllium: No problem, I mirrored the uncensored discussion on my talk. — David Remahl 08:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
          • Once again, as long as you address me, you're free to discuss anything with me. Wyllium 08:54, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
            • Hence the "Wyllium: " and the "No problem.". — David Remahl 08:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
          • Excellent. You, Wyllium, are why I run my own site. You, Wyllium, are why nearly any major attempt to organize people ends with someone holding the floor for untold times talking about "procedure". You, Wyllium, are what keeps people like myself and RaD Man in business, making us work to save and collect history because some mouth-breather decided it wasn't "important". You, Wyllium, are what I will spend the last breath I have on earth fighting. It all has to start somewhere, and it will start with you. I hate you. --Jscott 08:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wyllium, if you don't want a page deleted, why are you listing it? The presumption is to keep pages not to test the deletion waters. Okay, look, you must feel you are under attack. It's not like that. Perhaps it would be in your best interests not to monitor the vote page for a while and let it simmer down a bit. If you check back in a while, you can see how the vote is going. Engaging in further debate with people on the page isn't going to be constructive IMO. Please, do your bit to take the heat out of it. It's not war.Dr Zen 09:31, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • I listed it because I wasn't sure about the notability. It could either be emportant enough for an article or just a form of "website-vanity", my websearch didn't give me a definitive answer. I expected the people on vfd knowing more than me and either vote it in or out. Either would have been fine with me. I must say I'm more concerned with the agression I'm encountering than with whether the article stays or not. Anyway, I succeeded in remaining civil to them and I'm now taking my hands off. Wyllium 09:40, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
    • Wyllium, it seems we've both unknowingly stepped into pretty hot water. There have been a number of VfD nominations in the same field (that Radman and Jscott are interested in) lately. Some have resulted in deletes, others in keeps. I'm not sure whether you're aware of those. They have led to an inflated atmosphere of hostility which doesn't really serve anyone...I took more offence than I probably should have by the listing, but I'm an eventualist and think that listing an article for deletion so shortly after its creation goes against every wiki principle there is. I hope I didn't step over the line in my responses...As for the other participants in the "discussion", you have to understand where they come from too. The branch of culture that they care for the most and have dedicated thousands of hours to is not considered worthy of Wikipedia by a seemingly large fraction of the community. From my research I know that Jason Scott used to be enthusiastic and hold high hopes for Wikipedia, which have now been shattered completely. I'm trying to see your side of the argument, I hope you can see mine. — David Remahl 09:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Wyllium, I'm sure you were acting in good faith but VfD is for articles you want to see deleted. It's quite clear. If you wanted a more general discussion on the article's notability, there is RfC. It stirs up trouble to list new articles on VfD, especially when they have been written by bonafides editors. Please, next time you're not sure an article should be in or out, go for RfC and save yourself the aggro.Dr Zen 09:45, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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