Talk:List of Xbox One games

Information regarding the false and unnecessary edits.

Hello. I keep seeing some unnecessary edits made by users that don't have a clue what the heck they're doing. I'm really sensitive against things like this. That's why I would like some pages protected, like for example, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. And is there a way to block users that keep making false edits? I would like this to stop sometime soon. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Try dropping one of the WikiProject Video games admins a short note. User Sergecross7 is most helpful in these situations. — TPX 11:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposal for new color coding scheme

The current system doesn't provide enough information about platform availability, specially when it comes to PC.

What's your opinion regarding the following system?

http://i.imgur.com/PpNRUZw.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddmanx (talk • contribs) 04:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

List of video games (eighth generation) has got this covered. It's a new article born from your idea at Talk:List of Xbox 360 games#Proposal for improving the exclusivity information. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 09:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Possibility of a column to specify whether a game is currently available on disc

I'm fairly new to editing wikis so in all honesty I have no idea how difficult it would be to add another column to detail whether or not a game is a digital exclusive, but if someone would be willing to do the initial addition of one for me I'd be more than happy to keep that specific section up to date. I'm a collector and unlike PlayStation 4, the Xbox One list has no way to differentiate if a game is only available as a download, thanks to whoever takes the time to read this, or even better add the column Shinigami Metal (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

An extra column for retail releases is something I had considered in the past. But disc release dates often differ by region, so we would need not one but three extra columns to incorporate the information. Perhaps it's better to start a List of Xbox One games released on disc similar to List of PlayStation 4 games released on disc? — TPX 19:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Err... I recently been working on converting the table to follow the layout style from List of Wii U software after I've read here before your comment. It's ready to go live. Will you be fine with it? (exclusive cell style also converted) Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 19:40, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I would be unhappy and strongly resist the change because the Wii U table has serious problems. The column should always commence with a game title and not a color. Plus there is nothing wrong with the table that we currently have. — TPX 23:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Red cells are being too emphasis to me. Maybe you will understand better if you read this [1]. Now what do you think I'll see first when I go to game list? Exclusive status. I want exclusive status to be less prominent in the game lists. I've liked the color sets in List of Wii U games because there's no red 'No' cells and no texts in colored cells to read. Exclusive cells will be there to get my attention, but game title will snatch my attention if I start looking for text to read. It worked. Even better, it requires less input field, as well as better performance for having less templates. I didn't think people will freak out when there's column of small, nothing more than color cells before title column. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 18:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Taking away the red colored cell for non-exclusives while leaving the other colors would still provide the exclusivity emphasis without detracting and drawing unwarranted attention to unimportant info. 214.27.97.1 (talk) 11:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Can you change the No cells to empty white space (and keep the Yes/Console/Timed cells) so we can observe what it looks like? — TPX 12:09, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Steam Machine as a reason for a game not being "console exclusive"

Unfortunate I cannot ping the IP, but I wanted to note that "Steam machine is a console" basically means any game available on Steam. I.e. it treats PC releases as a console release. There are to date no games that are exclusive to Steam Machines. They all use Windows and Linux, and standard Steam downloads. -- ferret (talk) 14:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Valve has stated there will be no exclusives for SteamOS or the Steam Machine. The point is that there is a console other than the Xbox One on which you can play the games in question. If you wish to contest the fact that the Steam Machine is a video game console you should do it on the Steam Machine page. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That category now removed from Steam Machine (hardware platform) as its unsourced. I request you to reverse your edits for now and restore "Partial|Console", until other editors have weighed in. Treating every Steam available PC games as a "console game" is almost certainly a minority view. -- ferret (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Added source, also the release date puts it squarely in 8th gen (3 years after 8th gen began) 75.119.245.130 (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The source calls Steam Machines "pre-built PCs" and clearly is contrasting them to consoles. -- ferret (talk) 16:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

8th gen was the citation but what is a console but a pre-built PC? The days of developing hardware specifically for a console are long gone and they are now a collection of PC parts configured in a specific manner to run a custom OS, like SteamOS. Also, they're sold as consoles 75.119.245.130 (talk) 16:37, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

A console is a uniformly pre-built PC using the same principle components across all versions, all operating under an interface tightly controlled by the single vendor. Steam Machines do not have any specific component-based requirements, only that certain hardware and software metrics and support are met, and can be offered by any vendor (or even built by a user), and while SteamOS is "controlled" by Valve, it lacks the same software and service levels restrictions that are on consoles (eg I can go install MS Office on a Steam Machine if I wanted). --MASEM (t) 16:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

By that definition the entire Xbox line is not a console. They used varying components throughout their production so long as the components met the performance specifications/compatibility testing. By example my 3 xbox 360 consoles all have different harddrive manufacturers, different power supply wattage, etc. I swapped out a failed HDD for a faster/larger, but still compatible, WD drive. Just because Valve chose to have an open console that's less restricted/more versatile than its competitors does not change the fact that it is sold a console. A console is a device designed first and foremost to play games, regardless of any secondary functions it can perform. One doesn't need a GTX960 and i7 6700T to run Office. In fact the UWA version of Microsoft Office is coming to Xbox One (all UWAs are coming the CEO confirmed and keyboard/mouse support is coming as well Phil Spencer has confirmed). Xbox One will be a hybrid just like Steam Machine 75.119.245.130 (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

No, the Xbox is a family of consoles, not a singular console. And while there can be small component changes, like hard drives, the key is that the critical pieces that tie directly with the locked operating system (the CPU/GPU, memory, network support...) are fundamental to assure a game will work the same on the same console for anyone. Swapping out hard drives doesn't affect that. Consoles are considered as tightly-controlled systems that limit how much you can interact with the hardware, which is not the case for any Steam Machine; even the so-called Alienware consoles can be modified at will by the user without any limitation. --MASEM (t) 18:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Steam machines are not considered a console (even moreso in how there's no standardization of hardware components), so if a game is released for Xbox One and for Windows via Steam and not for PS4 or Wii U, it is a Xbox One console exclusive. --MASEM (t) 15:22, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I also agree with Ferret on this one. "Console release" is meant to mean whether or not they fall on the three main consoles - Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. Steam Machines are not included. I'd also direct the IP to the 8th gen article, which currently states (and has for a long time):

The microconsoles like Nvidia Shield Console, MOJO, Razer Switchblade, GamePop, GameStick, Ouya, and PC-based Steam Machine consoles are attempting to compete in this market; these are seldom referred to as "eighth generation" consoles or even as "seventh generation" consoles, however.[19][20][21]

Also as Ferret states, please follow WP:BRD and only make your change if there is consensus to do so on this talk page, which there currently is not. Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Arbitrarily deciding that non-Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft consoles are "not included" does a disservice to readers who want to know what is fully exclusive to a given console. At what point does a console meet the non-existent criteria to be on that list? As to being a 7th or 8th generation, it's 8th as it was released after November 2012, the early testing began in 2013 and released in 2015. It's current incarnations also outpace the hardware of all 8th generation consoles. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 15:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

You're looking to define "platform-exclusive", not "console-exclusive" then. Eg, The Last Guardian is platform exclusive to the PS4. Gears of War 4 is console-exclusive to the XBox one, but can also be played on Windows 10. --MASEM (t) 16:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes = Xbox One exclusive (found no where else), Microsoft = Xbox platform exclusive (no matter the hardware but exists on Xbox One), Console = Only console to have the game (may exist on non-Xbox PC platforms) but ignores Steam consoles because of arbitrary exclusion? Not every game is available on Steam Machine even if it is available on PC (Windows Store (non-xbox), Origins, GOG, UPlay, etc) and that is what the list should reflect. Anything else is giving misinformation - there is a console you can purchase outside of the Xbox One to play these games. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Steam_Machine_(hardware_platform)#Console_vs_PC It is currently under discussion. That is where WP:CONSENSUS is needed. Until that is decided and it remains listed as a video game console I shall treat it as such. The lines are blurring of what a console is, but like the PS3 it's a console / PC hybrid. It is also marketed as a "Console Experience" by Alienware 75.119.245.130 (talk) 15:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That discussion has been inactive for over half a year (nor does it support your argument anyways.) Its fine for the new discussion to take place here. Sergecross73 msg me 16:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The discussion stalled, the page was left listed as console 75.119.245.130 (talk) 17:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The word is used in the article, yes, but it doesn't seem to be its primary definition. Its not even used in its opening sentence, which typically, you know, defines the subject. And when it is used, it seemed to be sources using sources like this, which doesn't explicitly call it a console, but rather, position it as an attempt to package a PC as something to compete with consoles, which is not the same as being a console itself. Just the same as that, iPhones may greatly compete with handheld video game consoles, but they are not ones themselves. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Then why are they being sold as consoles? I'm not disputing it's also a PC, it is. But it's primary function is to serve as a device to play video games and to display to a TV in a living room just like consoles and unlike home computers. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

We don't make these sorts of decisions based off of what Dell's retail listings. We based them around what journalists and analysts in the field. Do you see articles where journalists factor in Steam Machines in articles about home consoles competing against another? Does NPD and EEDAR factor in Steam Machines in their articles about sales and marketshare in the industry? No. Because they're not classified like that. Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Dell is a not a primary source, Valve is the originator of the hardware standards/branding of the Steam Machine console. NPD and EEDAR are the same organization and it's a red herring argument. They look at sales statistics and Valve is a private company that does not report that information. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

What it comes down to, Does the Steam Machine, regardless of it's commercial success, meet Wikipedia's description of a video game console?

″A video game console is an electronic, digital or computer device that outputs a video signal or visual image to display a video game that one or more people can play. The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a console machine primarily designed for consumers to use for playing video games, in contrast to arcade machines or home computers".

There can be no doubt that Steam Machines are primarily designed to play video games, and while it does offer home computer functionality, that is not the primary design for consumers. It blurs the lines for sure, as will the upcoming Xbox One updates, however, by the current definition, it is a console; just like PS3 was despite offering Linux support. It may not be your personal definition of what a console is, but it meets the accepted description here on wikipedia. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That's all original research. What it actually comes down to is whether or not third party, reliable sources literally, directly, and consistently classify it as video game console. In my experience, (and everyone else who has commented so far) they don't. They call it things like "providing a similar experience" or call them "customizable computers for the living room" or something. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

1. 1 manufacturer - sells them as consoles, The actual dictionary definition "an electronic system that connects to a display (as a television set) and is used primarily to play video games" [2], techradar tries to takle it calling them "PC-Like consoles" and "half a million consoles were sold in over seven months" [3], [4] console, [5] gaming console/PC hybrid, etc. If you want a citation for my "original research" here it is: [6] - the first paragraph sums it up nicely "When it comes to the gaming duel of PC vs console gaming, PC gaming has always been played on a desk with a small display controlled by a mouse and keyboard, while gaming consoles have controllers and are played on the television in your living room." Steam machines are intended for the latter. When Win10 UWA+keyboard/mouse support is added to Xbox One later this year it's not going to cease being a console despite having all the characteristics of a PC (keyboard/mouse, Win10 OS, x86 PC components, will run all the same apps as your PC, can be used at a desk with a monitor, etc) 75.119.245.130 (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Even the sources you're providing don't refer to them primarily as "home video game console". Per the source you just gave above it literally and directly says Cut to the chase - What are they? Home theater-ready gaming PCs with Valve's SteamOS loaded. Sources like this do not prove your point. Sergecross73 msg me 19:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

It literally and directly says in the headline "PC-Like consoles" - just because it can fit both categories does not change what it is designed for, gaming. 75.119.245.130 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that "home game console" is not its primary classification. If other sources don't, we don't. Sergecross73 msg me 19:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Even if the IP wants to argue on the hardware name, let's talk about the phrase "console-exclusive" (versus platform-exclusive) and how it is used broadly. Browsing sources, nearly all use "console exclusive" either as a game exclusive to one of the three main console systems (Xbox, PS, or Wii) (aka synonymous with "platform exclusive", or refer to a game that is only on one of those three platforms and also has a PC release.). Steam Machines might be classified by some as consoles, but when speaking of console exclusivity, the Steam Machine does not factor into the broader picture, and thus we should not force it in that way either. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

This is also a very good point. This is another burden for the IP to prove. Sergecross73 msg me 19:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

We had a similar debate a couple of years ago. At that time, third-party sources refrained from applying the console label to Steam machines. While some sources described them as "similar" to consoles, others continued to describe them as PCs. Here is a selection of sources:

• It's too early to tell if Steam Machines will take off, but one thing is for certain: people are confused about the Steam Machine. Today, we’re going to attempt to answer any questions you might have about the Steam Machine and explain why it may (or may not) be your next gaming PC. [...] What are Steam Machines? Steam Machines – which are sometimes mistakenly referred to as Steam Boxes – are PCs designed specifically to run SteamOS and PC games.^[7]
• Question: What are Steam Machines? Answer: Steam Machines are specialized gaming PCs made by a variety of manufacturers. They run on SteamOS, a unique operating system based on Ubuntu Linux and produced by game developer Valve. Steam Machines are generally optimized as living-room entertainment centers rather than comprehensive gaming rigs.^[8]
• What is a Steam Box? Or a Steam Machine? Are they gaming consoles or innovative spa treatments? Let's clear up some of the confusion... It's a new type of gaming PC that looks like a console. Simply put, a Steam Box is a Steam Machine.^[9]
• Steam Machines are basically just another type of PC, so it’s not surprising that Valve was showing off a line of Steam Machines developed by gaming PC manufacturers like iBuyPower, Falcon Northwest, Alienware, and Gigabyte. These are more like PCs than consoles, offering a wide variety of hardware specifications... There’s no standard Steam Machine hardware like a console offers. Instead, you’ll find a wide range of hardware like you would on a PC.^[10]
• What Are Steam Machines Anyway? Steam Machines, like ultrabooks, are a class of computers.^[11]
• It appears that it is just be a small form factor PC. It will, according to Newell, be Linux-based. It will not be a closed system like a console. It will also be possible to change the hardware, install your own software [and] run another OS^IGN
• Valve has revealed the Steam Box, now known as Steam Machines, in an effort to take over so-called living room gaming. Steam Machines are “a powerful new category of living room hardware,” according to the company.^[12]

They are not traditional consoles, that's for sure. — TPX 19:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)