Talk:Clark Gable

Here's arguably the most successful and prominent leading man of the 20th century (except Chaplin) and there's no Talk about him on this page? I just dropped in to note that it's too bad the site couldn't keep that photo from Gone With the Wind up as the first photograph recently. Best picture of Gable I've ever seen. Jump Forward Immediately (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2014

Oh, just noticed the Archives. Jump Forward Immediately (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Buzzfeed article

An interview appeared in Buzzfeed in July 2015 with the son and daughter-in-law of Loretta Young, both of whom claim that Young said in 1998 she was date raped by Clark Gable. I have added this information to the article and have provided a citation. The claim belongs in the article, though we should be careful to note that it is only a claim and include any other information that is available with appropriate citations. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 22:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

To (Bookworm857158367, I feel sincerely with multiple reasons the buzzfeed allegations should only be included on his Wikipedia page and even on Loretta's page if given evidence. This is only a claim, a tabloid writer with a history of tabloid articles. Must this article not be given any notice nor any actual evidence from either of both families within a week, I feel the claim should be taken off because Wikipedia pages are not meant for tabloid claims? I'm sorry for our little fret, I see on your side also you see it only as a claim but I notice it and with many many people: a tabloid article with no evidence or sources that popped out of nowhere. I wanna make sure our escalation of it is quite too small and useless and should be discussed professionally. - User: montygables — Preceding undated comment added 15:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. This was an interview conducted with the daughter-in-law and the son of Loretta Young. The claim is sourced and it should be included in the article. You are welcome to look for other sources that could also be added to the article that might contradict or cast doubt on this claim by Chris and Linda Lewis. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 18:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Separate section for Personal life

The section on personal life should not be as a sub-heating 1 but its own heading. Proposal to do that. Also, there might be a need for a rewrite of the page so that the personal life stay in that section.

The Winter of Steppes (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Not mortal sin

There are 3 conditions for a sin to be deemed a mortal sin in the Roman Catholic Church:

1. Must be of a serious nature.

2. One must know it is serious.

3. Must have full consent of the will.

Pre-marital sex or sex outside of marriage is considered a *sin of grave matter* (but is not a mortal sin). It would only be considered a mortal sin when the person knows it's a sin of grave matter & further consents to the act. Masturbation, for example, is always considered a venial sin, because one's *will* is weak & thus it's not considered to be *full consent of the will*.

Loretta Young apparently didn't know her Catholic tenets very well. Since she claimed Gable raped her, she did not give consent for the act, so it was not a sin at all for her, neither mortal nor venial in nature. Even if it were a sin, all she had to do was go to Confession, perform her penance, & be granted absolution. That's the whole point of the Sacrament of Penance....to have one's sins forgiven. An archived Talk comment stated it was originally written in the article as being a venial sin, which would be the correct sin....but there was no sin involved if Gable really raped Young. Any priest in the confessional would've told her that.

Young had her first marriage annulled in 1931, like a good Catholic, but her 2nd marriage to Tom Lewis ended in divorce in 1949, & back then the restrictions on divorced Catholics were unyielding with serious repercussions....divorce meant automatic excommunication, which meant a divorced Catholic could no longer receive any of the sacraments (no Confession, no Holy Communion, no Extreme Unction on one's deathbed), & thus would die in a state of sin & go to Hell. Young was buried in a Catholic ceremony, so at some point there must've been an after-the-fact annulment of the Lewis marriage as well, because excommunicates cannot be buried in consecrated ground. Neither can anyone with a *mortal sin* still on their conscience (even tho it wasn't a sin at all if she was raped).

I think Young's *guilt* was from having sex outside of marriage with Gable, which was against the Catholic *rules* entirely, was committing adultery for him (he was still married to Ria Langham in 1935, tho he wasn't a practicing Catholic even tho his mother has him christened as one), & which resulted in pregnancy out of wedlock. Having a child out of wedlock back then was scandalous, would've ruined her career, & her image as one of Hollywood's *good girls*, which was why she kept it a secret for so long. She never even told Gable that Judy was his daughter, which sounds like Young felt he needed to be *punished* for his sins, or perhaps the spitefulness of a woman scorned (he did take up with Carole Lombard soon after Young got pregnant). It probably was mutually consensual sex with a huge dose of good old Catholic guilt for her afterward. Unlike in the Bill Cosby matter, no other woman ever came forward to say Gable had raped her when she said *not interested* to him, not even after he died relatively young & was unable to defend himself against any accusations. He was a huge star & such allegations would've wrecked his career, too, the same as Fatty Arbuckle's was destroyed over a rape accusation that supposedly killed Virginia Rappe 4 days later, due to his weight allegedly crushing her bladder & rupturing it, even tho he was acquitted of any wrongdoing at trial. There was no whiff of hush money paid while Gable was alive (a la Charlie Sheen). It could've been date rape as we *now* define it, if Young was drunk when it happened & therefore too incapacitated to give consent, but back then, that wasn't considered rape under the law, just an unfortunate lapse in judgment.

At any rate, it was not a mortal sin but a venial sin if it was mutually consensual sex, & not a sin at all if Gable did indeed rape Young. It should either be removed entirely or at least downgraded back to the original article text that correctly named it a venial sin. ScarletRibbons (talk) 18:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Doing some editing

I've done grammatical tidying, a bit of rearranging for clarity, fixed some vague pronouns, added a few Wikilinks, plus added *citation needed* tags, thru the Stage & silent films section, as of now. Will be back to get to the rest ASAP & will update what I've done here as I go along. A huge film star like Clark Gable deserves better than the article in its current state! I see it failed as a B-class & it looks as if not much has been done in the lengthy interim since. Only the lead looks pretty good. Once I plough thru the prose, I'll see what I can do about references, but it would be a great help if someone else could find a few to put inline. Anyone?

In the meantime, there are MANY references that aren't coded correctly throughout the article. I always struggle with the Wikivoodoocode in trying to fix stuff like that, & usually screw it up. Anyone out there who's better at it than I am, & can do 'em up right? ScarletRibbons (talk) 20:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Note on a RfC about "military careers"

There is currently a discussion and a RfC on Mel Brooks's article about his so-called "military career," noted by an infobox module. Since his military service, similar to that of Don Rickles, was for a few years and before their actual careers began, inserting a massive module in the standard infobox, as in this article, seems both misleading and erroneous. For Gable, his "military career" module takes up about 30% of the infobox, while his notability is for being an actor. And like the others, he never had a "military career."--Light show (talk) 01:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Where did he and Lombard honeymoon?

Removed reference to Oatman. See Talk:Carole_Lombard#Where did she and Gable honeymoon? Lee Choquette (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Death

"...but by his late 50s, he weighed 230 pounds (104 kg). To get in shape for The Misfits, he dropped to 195 pounds (88 kg)." Well, yeah, sure, if we he went from 104-88 kg and his weight dropped to 16 kg (35 pounds), that could have been the reason for his death. But seriously. There's something wrong with claims. What was his weight just before the Misfits? Where are the sources for the claims?