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February 1

Category:Deputy mayors of Xi'an

Nominator's rationale: Single-item WP:SMALLCAT. Being deputy mayor of a city is not, in and of itself, a stronger WP:NPOL pass than any other role in city government -- the one person here got an article for serving in the national legislature, not for being deputy mayor per se, and since nobody else would get an article just for being deputy mayor in and of itself either, there's no viable prospect of this being expanded to five or six articles as far as I can determine. We do not create dedicated categories for every individual political position as soon as one holder of that title has a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deputy Mayors of Launceston, Tasmania

Nominator's rationale: Single-item WP:SMALLCAT for a political position that would not constitute an WP:NPOL pass in its own right. The one person who happens to be filed here qualifies for inclusion on a different criterion completely independent of his career in local politics -- and nobody would get an article just for being deputy mayor of Launceston in and of itself. Which means this is pretty much a permanent category of one. We do not create a dedicated category for every individual political position the moment one former holder of that title has a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 23:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caritas

Nominator's rationale: rename, the articles in this category are country members and a regional organisation of Caritas Internationalis. (Note that Caritas is just a disambiguation page.) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support by creator of category. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:33, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Norwegian 2. Divisjon players

Nominator's rationale: Useless category, a non-professional tier. Geschichte (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sinkholes of Canada

Nominator's rationale: Category which contains one list that's up for WP:AFD and four redirects. If there were any actual standalone articles about sinkholes to file here, then a category would be fine -- but it's not needed just to categorize redirects. Bearcat (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2017 in Angolan basketball

Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Not part of a series, and the years in Category:Years in Angolan sport are not heavily populated. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bishops from Ireland

Nominator's rationale: rename in order to more clearly display its purpose and to disambiguate from Category:Irish bishops. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if the aim is to more clearly display its purpose, shouldn't the same apply to Category:Irish bishops? That is, it should be renamed as Category:Non expatriate bishops in Ireland or to Category:Bishops serving in Ireland? It would be good to eliminate the tyranny of the demonyn from both, not just one of the categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated category is yet another example of an LL-created category which uses a non-std naming format whose meaning amounts to almost exactly the same thing as the demonic version. The proposed renaming aligns it with the convention for expatriates. (Category:Irish bishops is not nominated as apart of this discussion, so it is off-topic and cannot be renamed by this discussion.)
Once again, LL overlooks that there is an established convention of using demonyms, and Category:Irish bishops is a subcat of Category:Bishops by nationality, which uses demonyms like nearly all other ppl-by-occupation categories.
A good case can be made for using another naming convention (though all bring their own problems), but this is not the place to rewrite that convention, and category management is disrupted if non-standard naming formats are use randomly. If LL wants to pursue the idea of abandoning demonyms, then WP:RFC is thataway. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:11, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Overlap? What are you on about BHG? The categories Category:Bishops from Ireland and Category:Bishops in Ireland are mutually exclusive. If only every country had this model of logic there would be far less confusion and CFD acrimony. And each avoids the hated tyranny of demonyns. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
LL, far from being mutuialy exclusive, most people "in Ireland" are "from Ireland". The overlap is huge.
I understand the distinction which you are trying to make, but the terminology which you use does not convey that distinction. That is why it is better to follow the conventions for category naming (see Category:Expatriates by occupation), and explicitly label the expatriates. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I challenge you to find a single bishop who is a member of both Category:Bishops from Ireland and Category:Bishops in Ireland. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There may well be no overlap in content. I was talking about overlap in the meaning of the title, which is why I support this renaming. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oughtn't Patrick Francis Moran be in both as he was both a bishop of a see in Ireland, and later of one in Australia. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 02:17, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mild Support -- The Irish have in the past produced many missionaries, some of whom rose to be bishops. The place for specifying that this is for bishops whose sees are outside Ireland might however be in a headnote. Certainly we must not merge with bishops in Ireland, a some of whom in the Church of Ireland may have been Englishmen. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the stated content of the Category:Irish bishops is "Bishops of Episcopal sees who were born in Ireland or who have served in the island of Ireland..." So, Bishop X is born in Dublin and becomes the Bishop of Someplace, USA, he's both an Irish bishop and, provided he served as a bishop prior to obtaining US citizenship, also an expatriate bishop from Ireland. So again, there will be overlap and ambiguity; putting aside the issue of whether being born in Dublin and serving as a bishop in Belfast is expatriate (or ditto, a Belfast-born bishop of someplace, UK). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Some editors are over-complicating quite a simple proposal by @Marcocapelle. If this is implemented, then we will have Category:Irish bishops, with subcats for diocesan posts in Ireland and subcats for expatriates. The current setup tries to achieve something similar, but its uses ambiguous terminology: "Bishops from Ireland" is intended to mean Irish expatriates, but can equally reasonably be understood to mean any bishop of Irish origin, including those who served in Ireland.
    Carlossuarez46 is right note a wider problem. Category:Cardinals in Australia is another creation of the same editor who created this ambiguously-named category, and appears to have been spreading the confusion around the categories relating to other countries. Categories need clear names which unambiguously do what it says on the tin, and unfortunately this particular editor seems to believe that others will all resolve the ambiguity in the same way as they choose to. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

Category:TPOK Jazz

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent for a single, well-defined category of the band's members. WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games with 3D graphics

Nominator's rationale: Overly broad category both by confusion of 3D terminology (see previous discussion) and not useful for organizing "3D games", which each have more applicable subcategories (if sorting by 3D is even necessary). I imagine some of the subcategories here should be discussed as well. Category previously discussed recently and two years ago. Pinging prior discussants as a courtesy: @PresN, Martin IIIa, Freikorp, Hellknowz, IDV, and The1337gamer czar 01:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]