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In the middle of the section on the pedophilia controversy, the article states that, "In making this statement, Yiannopolous is accurately distinguishing between pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia, in line with the Tanner stages, though the imprecise use of the term "pedophilia" in association with any sexual activity with an individual under the age of consent is common." That sentence needs to be removed or at least rephrased. It is a form of editorializing inappropriate to an encyclopedia. A properly written biography of a person does not contain statements that amount to, "His views on this subject are correct", or, "His statements about this topic are accurate" - not even if such statements are correct. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, policy explicitly states :WP:YESPOV Avoid stating facts as opinions. Uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertions made by reliable sources should normally be directly stated in Wikipedia's voice. Unless a topic specifically deals with a disagreement over otherwise uncontested information, there is no need for specific attribution for the assertion, although it is helpful to add a reference link to the source in support of verifiability. Further, the passage should not be worded in any way that makes it appear to be contested. As you have already stipulated, his statement is correct. His statement has been described as correct by multiple sources. There is no dispute or controversy that his statement is correct. (note that the rest of his statement is certainly controversial, but this particular fact is not) ResultingConstant (talk) 03:19, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

The material is currently worded, "Commentators such as Matthew Rozsa of Salon.com and Margaret Hartmann of New York magazine wrote that in making this statement, Yiannopolous is technically correct in distinguishing between pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia, but the authors also note that "pedophilia" is typically used to denounce relationships of the sort allegedly promoted by Yiannopoulos (those between 13 year olds and adults)", which appears to pose no problem. It is quite possible to avoid filling a biographical article with statements announcing that the article subject's views are correct, which is inappropriate as well as pitifully poor writing, without "stating facts as opinions." That the views of these commentators may be correct does not mean that they need to be presented in Wikipedia's voice. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

We do say something like this in Wikipedia's voice -- from pedophilia: "Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13...." If we can say that there we can say that here. Caveat is, now that I've reread, our article says it is up to and including 13 rather than below 13, which I hadn't realized (did it change? I thought I looked it up some time ago). That is likely to be a sticky point. Wnt (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

For what it is worth, the American Psychiatric Association, in the DSM-5, does not give a specific age. it specifies "...a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger). The defining feature is sexual maturity, not age, and there is room for cases to be considered above and below the age 13 benchmark and be consistent with the definition. Ignatios2000 (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

British English

This has to be in British English!--Rævhuld (talk) 15:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

You could argue it either way to be honest. (MOS:TIES and MOS:RETAIN would be the two competing ENGVAR issues) He is British, but he is not really very relevant in Britain today - Breitbart and Trump being a US issue. Most of his 'fame' is derived from his US career, his tours of US educational institutions etc. The US controversies. Currently he is of much more relevance to the US reader than the British. I have seriously lost count of how many times I have had to explain to fellow Brits in the last week who he is. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The English used has to be consistent, and I would side with MOS:RETAIN here as it would be too difficult to all change date formats and English variations to their US counterparts. I see why in the age of Trump that MOS:TIES may seem relevant, but that really smacks of WP:RECENTISM in my view. Milo has written on other subjects other than Trump and US social/political issues, even if that may be hard to remember right now. HelgaStick (talk) 16:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I strongly support using British English for all bios of british people, including here. And I dont agree that Trump & Breitbart are US issues, generally US presidents are worldwide issues and never more so than with Trump; and we now have Beitbart London so Breitbart is as relevant to the UK as to the US; and looking at the UK press every day as I do I would say Yiannopoulos is highly notable within the UK. We can easily rewrite the article to incorporate British English, the article is poor because it is written in US English. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 17:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

MOS:RETAIN seems to cover keeping it the way it was. PackMecEng (talk) 00:17, 25 February 2017 (UTC)