Talk:David L. Cunningham

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Filmography

For all his work prior to 1998, the only source is IMDB, and it lists no information about these films, other than the fact that Cunningham directed them. Given that it's not difficult to get a film listed on IMDB and these listings look suspicious, I think we need another source. Lagringa 20:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up a few of the latter ones randomly and they are legit. Arbusto 22:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you find them? Lagringa 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Various sites searching through google. Arbusto 05:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A google search for "The Pitcairn Story: Mutineers in Paradise," for example, turns up 10 hits. All of them are based on IMDB, and none have any info beyond Cunningham's credit. Lagringa 18:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need for cleaning "references"

news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060909/cm_huffpost/029015 is an opinion column and should not be used as a reference of anything BUT opinion. Kukini 16:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused - is this a policy of some kind? The fact that a writer chooses to make their point of view explicit shouldn't invalidate the factual information provided. I understand that a highly biased source may be unreliable, but complete objectivity shouldn't be required. In any case, that source contains very little opinion compared to facts. Lagringa 20:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Max B used quotes taken out of context to base his article upon. this is the official statement of YWAM and University of the Nations. These statements refute Max's thesis. Youth With A Mission Statement

Youth With A Mission (YWAM) is a non profit, international and interdenominational Christian organization. We are responsible for hundreds of health clinics, orphanages and schools around the world. We have a special emphasis on the developing world and are completely staffed by unpaid volunteers from 150 nations.

We are not affiliated with any American political party and have no political agenda in that or any nation. We had no part in any funding of the ABC mini series THE PATH TO 9/11.

John Dawson, President of Youth With A Mission International Auckland, New Zealand

University of the Nations Statement

University of the Nations is a an international University with campuses in over 100 countries. It is affiliated with Youth With A Mission (YWAM) and has a special emphasis on bringing education to the developing world. Alumnus David Cunningham has opened doors for many of our film students. One of those opportunities was an internship for 6 of our students on the set of the mini series THE PATH TO 9/11. Our students had the privilege to observe parts of the production phase of the movie David directed.

We have not contributed financially at any level to the TV movie THE PATH TO 9/11 and don't have any political affiliations in the many countries where our branches are located.

Dr Thomas Bloomer PHD University of the Nations Provost Office of Academic Affairs Lausanne, Switzerland —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keiko234 (talk • contribs) .

I am going to refer you both to the following link Citing Sources in Wikipedia and let you figure out how to clean up this page. I do think you should both pay careful heed to this page when you do it as well. Contact me if I may be of further help. Kukini 00:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated, I don't see how there is any problem with the original references. The original sources for that article are available in the google cache. The users who are deleting the content have not attempted to defend their position, so I am at a loss to resolve this conflict. Lagringa 00:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the page. An opinion column meets WP:RS. I am a little worried that a new user signed up and seems only focused on removing content rather than improving the article. Arbusto 22:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is my concern as well. This user, Keiko...appears dead set on deleting others' contributions without appropriate agreement on this talk page. Also, I am not against blogs being used as references, nor of opinion columns, as long as they are cited as such.Kukini 00:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will add another warning and turn this matter over to an admin. Edit warring is not the way to make contributions. The so called "blog" is from Yahoo a WP:RS, but other references like CNN and the organizations tied to Cunningham are also being removed. Arbusto 02:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the changes again. Removing content and notations that the school is unaccredited, and that the film organization has made past claims (that stuff is cached at google still) is not acceptable. Major content changes must be discussed here for consensus. Arbusto 05:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How does Cyrus' view have anything to do with David. People in one office can have different beliefs, and to bring another's comments, especially politically charged ones is quite inappropriate for a biography. This material still belongs to the pages on which the subject is all about. Using links to opinions that directly contradict factual information such as how the movie was intiated is also polictical. I still believe those links should be removed. Keiko234 17:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that directing Path the 9/11 is the only thing of note the man has done, it was be strange to leave it out. Based on the changes you have been making, it seems you are perfectly happy to have the topic addressed here, as long as it portrays Cunningham in a completely favorable light. The fact that a topic is political does not mean it should be excluded. The man directed a highly controversial political movie, so of course politics are going to come up in his bio. Lagringa 18:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As to the "opinions that directly contradict factual information," all the information you object to is based on reliable sources. If you have factual information based on reliable sources, it can be included as well. Lagringa 18:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Lagringa. Since he claims it is apolitical and it is referenced than claims the writer made are also worthy of inclusion. Also Keiko234 please read WP:TE. Arbusto 19:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remembering 9/11

I am placing Mr. Cunningham's Filmography before the formerly titled Remembering 9/11 section, because it makes no sense to place the latter before even mentioning that Mr. Cunningham directed The Path to 9/11, nor did the title Remembering 9/11 make sense in this context, so I retitled it "Controversy: The Path to 9/11". I am also introducing Mr. Nowrasteh's article with a mention of the controversy surrounding that film, because otherwise there is no context whatsoever for his article here. I am also providing a citation for the article. Furthermore, I don't believe it's necessary to print the entire article on this page, just the section relevent to Mr. Cunningham. Please discuss here if anyone has objections or would like clarification. Bartleby007 16:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]