Talk:The Forward/Archive 1

Archive 1

Famous Peeps

Someone should start compiling a list of important dudes and ladies that have written for the paper. I guess I'll start. Lamed Shapiro, Bashevis Singer, Israel Joshua Singer, Abe Cahan...ok, there are too many - 00:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)Lazer Stein (talk)

Name

What's the name of the publication? Is it "The Forward", or just "Forward"? If it's just "Forward", then should the article name be adjusted accordingly?--A bit iffy 21:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• I believe it goes by either, however the official site seems to indicate it is indeed The Forward. (think, Der Forvertz). -- pm_shef 22:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• I support changing article name to "Forward". I haven't done a name-change, and don't have time now to work on that, but someone should do so. As viewed today, the official site consistently indicates that the newspaper's name is simply Forward in English, and פֿאָרווערטס (Forverts) in Yiddish. For the English paper's name, look at the images of the paper itself on the Subscriptions or Advertise page. For the Yiddish paper's name, look at its own website, which, interestingly, is consistent with the photo of a 1936 issue of the paper within this very article.

• For my 2¢, this is also exactly what the "Our history" page indicates. However, if anyone still needs convincing, check out the Contact page and the Masthead page. Any remaining doubts should immediately vanish with a glance at the New Subscription page or the 4 issues free page.

--rich<Rich Janis 09:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)>

The logo on whatever of these pages isn't dead reads The Jewish Daily Forward, not "The Forward" which is a nickname, like calling The New York Times "The Times". --Tenebrae (talk) 18:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

The "free e-newsletter" that can be subscribed to via the link at the top of http://www.forward.com/ is labeled as being sent from and by "The Forward". This is a reasonable short form of the newpaper's full name, "The Jewish Daily Forward". The Yiddish weekly publication is named "Forverts", without an article (which would be grammatically incorrect), and the bannerhead translation is given as "Yiddish Forward", not "Forward". --Futhark|Talk 19:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning the e-newsletter; I subscribed and just got my first one. Although I don't pretend that this is an easy issue to resolve, I must, again, disagree. In this newsletter, exactly as in the "Our history" page of the website, the publisher capitalizes the word "the" only when it is at the beginning of a sentence or heading; in mid-sentence, however, it is not capitalized. The newsletter dated Aug 30, 2007, says, "A guide to the Forward, week of August 31, 2007." To me, that shows the word "the" to be there merely for grammatical purposes, not as a part of the formal name. Once again, though, I return to the fact that we are discussing the name of a newspaper, and the newspaper itself shows its name as, simply, Forward. Also, most scholarly and journalistic references that I've found cite this publication as "Forward" or "the Forward" or "The Forward"; i.e., they italicize the word "Forward" but do not italicize the word "the" (even when "The" is capitalized for grammar). Similarly, for its earlier life as a daily, citations almost always show its name as "Jewish Daily Forward" or "the Jewish Daily Forward" or "The Jewish Daily Forward". I readily agree that the paper is almost always referred to (especially informally) with the word "the", but there are many other names that we treat similarly (e.g., the Netherlands, the Ukraine, the United States of America); this could be partly an idiosyncrasy of the English language, and partly a matter of custom, and--for this newspaper--partly because the publisher simply goes along with it--as in their continuing to say "The Jewish Daily Forward" in the banner on the home page of their website, despite the fact that it hasn't been a daily for many years. --rich<Rich Janis 20:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)>

Per WP:COMMONNAME, if "The Forward [is] commonly known as The Jewish Daily Forward," the article title should be the latter. As well, the logo on the paper's own site reads the Jewish Daily Forward. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Agree. Let's move it and rearrange things slightly in the lead sentence to reflect that. It's probably not controversial since you're responding to a comment from 2007 here.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not so sure that the current "common" name is the longer one; I suspect that a review of sources would suggest that the first line is actually backwards, and more accurately would read, "The Jewish Daily Forward, commonly known as The Forward (Template:Lang-yi; Forverts)", etc. Where that takes us in terms of WP:COMMONNAME, I am not sure. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

That's a fair point, yet we should note that no one in conversation in New York calls The New York Times anything but "The Times", and no one calls the New York Post anything but "The Post" — but the Wikipedia articles are still The New York Times and the New York Post. I can't really think of an example on Wikipedia where for newspapers we use anything but the actual name as the article title. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

So following The New York Times, the New York Post, and every other newspaper, is there any objection to having an admin move the article to its formal name, The jewish Daily Forward? --Tenebrae (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

We don't need no stinkin' administrator to move it!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

You rock, dude! --Tenebrae (talk) 01:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The newspaper changed its name in 2015 by dropping "Jewish Daily" from its name. It is just known as "The Forward" now.[1] Jason from nyc (talk) 01:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Do you think we should rename the article? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess the issue is whether since the name change, under wp:commonname, the RSs have predominantly referred to it as The Forward. Epeefleche (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)