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For all articles in this category(and the category itself because it will be empty):This is pure, unsourced(in one instance: one fact is sourced)WP:OR. Delete the junk.Burning Pillar (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC) Burning Pillar (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- 1978 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1979 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1980 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1981 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1982 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1983 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1984 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1985 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1986 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1987 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1988 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1989 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1990 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1991 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1992 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1993 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1994 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1995 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1996 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1997 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1998 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 1999 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2000 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2001 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2002 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- 2003 in motoring (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Burning Pillar (talk) 23:59, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Remove - These "xxxx years in motoring" are unreferenced articles that mention only a brief and narrow perspective, as well as no context. In other words, there is no real value to the readers. The related category is also superfluous. There is no definition of "motoring" as it typically refers to the act of driving motor vehicles. However, the articles focus on the manufacture of new cars. Moreover, these descriptions seem to be short and random selection naming various car models that were introduced or marketed in a few markets. There is a far more detailed source of information in this topic among articles that are listed under Template:Automotive industry. These include more referenced details about the automotive industry events within national markets. These provide much greater value and background regarding the "motoring industry" in particular markets, in contrast to these "motoring by year" stubs. CZmarlin (talk) 01:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep None of this is grounds for deletion. The facts could easily be sourced and more information added to give a wider perspective. Timelines and events-by-year pages are a well-established part of Wikipedia. There are publications such as Automobile Year and Australian Motoring Yearbook which treat the car industry on a year-by-year perspective. It's clearly not original research: all this is well covered in the motoring press. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Again, this is WP:JUNK, all these articles are WP:SYNTH of events. Which events from the Automobile Year and similar publications do you want to include in the article? All of them? Your personal selection?Burning Pillar (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Motoring is a notable topic. AFD is not cleanup. The articles could be improved, but that's not a reason for deletion. Also, the category should be proposed at WP:CFD, not here, though if all the articles are deleted, it could probably be speedied. Until then, the category should not have been nominated for deletion at any venue. Smartyllama (talk) 15:53, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Not clear how this is OR. Doesn't meet any of the deletion criteria in WP:NOTDIR. As stated above, AFD is not cleanup. If something can be cleaned up, it should be cleaned up rather than deleted. South Nashua (talk) 17:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Colapeninsula, Smartyllama, and South Nashua:. AFD is not cleanup. That does not mean that we have to keep every junk, especially not this: These articles are the author's personal WP:SYNTH about what the author deemed important for these years. They cannot be assumed to resemble properly weighted articles about what happened in that time period; most of them only include cars, which means that they are effectively spreading MISinformation. Burning Pillar (talk) 22:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Burning Pillar: If there are inaccuracies or POV, you're encouraged to correct them. "Year in X" content is fairly common on Wikipedia, I'm not clear how this is any different. South Nashua (talk) 23:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Colapeninsula, Smartyllama, and South Nashua:. AFD is not cleanup. That does not mean that we have to keep every junk, especially not this: These articles are the author's personal WP:SYNTH about what the author deemed important for these years. They cannot be assumed to resemble properly weighted articles about what happened in that time period; most of them only include cars, which means that they are effectively spreading MISinformation. Burning Pillar (talk) 22:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep as noted above, AFD is not cleanup. Lepricavark (talk) 23:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment:WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP? Let me provide you a different part of this essay that does not support you:WP:HARMFUL, which expicitely states that the lack of reliable sources is a VALID deletion criterion. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP is directed towards normal problems, especially format, grammar problems, WP:DEADEND, or minor issues with our content policies that do not justify removing the entire article. It is not directed towards unsourced, suspicious articles. Burning Pillar (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Quit with the badgering, please. Lepricavark (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ad hominem is not a valid argument.Burning Pillar (talk) 02:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- You seem to be more interested in arguing than in building an encyclopedia. I have better things to do. Lepricavark (talk) 03:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ad hominem is not a valid argument.Burning Pillar (talk) 02:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Quit with the badgering, please. Lepricavark (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment:WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP? Let me provide you a different part of this essay that does not support you:WP:HARMFUL, which expicitely states that the lack of reliable sources is a VALID deletion criterion. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP is directed towards normal problems, especially format, grammar problems, WP:DEADEND, or minor issues with our content policies that do not justify removing the entire article. It is not directed towards unsourced, suspicious articles. Burning Pillar (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IDONTLIKEBURNINGPILLAR. Other than that policy, I also agree with User:Colapeninsula. There are reliable sources which support having motoring articles on a year-by-year basis. Articles need referencing, not deleting. Jevansen (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:BEFORE. Unsourced does not equate to non-notable/OR. These lists contain notable events about notable companies and milestones within the motor industry. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: per WP:NOTCLEANUP. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
- WP:NOTCLEANUP is an essay, and it does not support the claim(see WP:NOHARM).WP:V is one of our core content policies. It seems that WP:AFD has a WP:Local consensus trying to subvert our core policy WP:V(which mandates an inline citation for challenged article content).Burning Pillar (talk) 02:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)