Talk:2017–18 UEFA Europa League
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FK Partizan
Apperently FK Partizan has been banned by UEFA.[1] [2] Could be good to know if they should qualify. Qed237 (talk) 13:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- It seems like ban is lifted according to ESPN. Qed237 (talk) 20:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Aberdeen
Wont Aberdeen now move into the second qualifying round? The winner of this season's final will go into next season's Champions League, which opens up a Europa League qualifier spot.Because this year's finalists cannot qualify for the Champions League group stage through their domestic leagues, Scotland will move up one place to 24th in the rankings.Statto74 (talk) 10:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ajax can still qualify for Champions League group stage, so no. Qed237 (talk) 10:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, missed that the league has already finished. Qed237 (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
That is what the media are reporting in Scotland BBC, STV. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- From what I understand after reading UEFA documents, nothing will change in EL if Ajax win. And it would not be the first time media in UK is wrong, but it is a complicated situation. Can you tell me why Europa League would have to be changed if Ajax win EL? Qed237 (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ajax would be bumped up from CL qualifiers to group stage, if the CL winner has qualified via their domestic league. This is not entirely certain, due to Juventus being only 5 points ahead of third place in Serie A with two to games play. This then filters down to UEL because of changes to the number of losers from the UCL 3QR. Per our article: "If changes to the access list of the Champions League are made, the number of losers of the Champions League third qualifying round which are transferred to the Europa League may be increased or decreased from the default number of 15, which means changes to the access list of the Europa League will also need to be made." Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- That is true. However, I think it probably would be best to wait until we has some confirmation. Qed237 (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Ajax would be bumped up from CL qualifiers to group stage, if the CL winner has qualified via their domestic league. This is not entirely certain, due to Juventus being only 5 points ahead of third place in Serie A with two to games play. This then filters down to UEL because of changes to the number of losers from the UCL 3QR. Per our article: "If changes to the access list of the Champions League are made, the number of losers of the Champions League third qualifying round which are transferred to the Europa League may be increased or decreased from the default number of 15, which means changes to the access list of the Europa League will also need to be made." Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- From what I understand after reading UEFA documents, nothing will change in EL if Ajax win. And it would not be the first time media in UK is wrong, but it is a complicated situation. Can you tell me why Europa League would have to be changed if Ajax win EL? Qed237 (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
On a related note, has anyone seen anything official regarding what would happen to Everton if United beat Ajax? Common sense would suggest that Everton would get bumped up into the group stage to maintain the number of team automatically qualifying for that stage. douts (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Douts: Nothing will happen to Everton. As the distribution section says, If the Champions League title holders or the Europa League title holders have qualified for the Europa League through domestic performance, their berth in the Europa League will be vacated (not replaced by another team from the same association), and cup winners of the highest-ranked associations will be moved to a later round accordingly. (my bolding). Cup winners will be moved to later rounds so this means Chech cup winner will enter group stage instead of 3QR, Polish cup winner will go to 3QR instead of 2QR, and cup winners from Scotland and Azerbaijan will be moved from 1QR to 2QR. Qed237 (talk) 12:35, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Shifting
No matter who wins in EL final this evening, some shift will be made. As already explained, if Man Utd wins, then Zlin will be promoted from playoff to GS, Arka will be promoted from QR2 to QR3, while Aberdeen and Gabala are promoted from QR1 to QR2. Otherwise, if Ajax wins, Man Utd will stay in EL GS, but there will be only 4 matches in CL QR3 instead of default 5. Then one team less will be transfered from CL QR3 to EL PO, and Zlin will compensate such a vacancy. Other shiftings will be identical just like case if Man Utd. Therefore it is already obvious:
- A total of 190 (not 191) teams will participate - Zlin will NOT start in QR3 - Arka will be promoted from QR2 to QR3 - Aberdeen and Gabala are promoted from QR1 to QR2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.2.226 (talk) 17:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
What round do Everton Qualify for?
I've started this because I think some discussion maybe needed. I've linked in the 2016–17 Premier League talk page as well. What round will Everton qualify for? By default, England gives EL group to the FA cup winner and 5th, and EL q3 to the League Cup winner. The FA Cup winner will either be in the Champions League or have finished 5th - so normally that would league 5th and 6th getting EL group spots. Since 6th place Man UTD also won the League Cup, the pushes the EL q3 slot to 7th - Everton. But now that Man UTD have won the Europa league, they go into the Champions league. So do Everton move into Man UTD's group stage spot leaving no Q3 spot, or do Everton still get the Q3 slot and no second EL Group spot? 2A02:C7D:15A:AB00:145B:95:F6C1:7F3 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
PS - at the time of writing, the 2016–17 Premier League article has Everton in the group stage, and no Q3 spot. 2A02:C7D:15A:AB00:145B:95:F6C1:7F3 (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Everton
They qualify for the group stage, leaving no q3 spot. Just saying, as I was warned for adding it. Branchofpine (talk) 16:37, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Except the club themselves have said they start in the qualifying round. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:54, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Winning EL yesterday and moving to CL next season Manchester promoted cup winner of association ranked 13 - Zlin (Czechia) from 3rd qualifying round to group stage. This allocation change does not affect teams from their country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mijo34 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
UEFA regulations are clear that the domestic cup berth is always the best for a member association and in the case of England and France, a league position berth is better than a League Cup berth. Hence, Arsenal, regardless of the result of the FA Cup Final, will be given the CW berth, Man Utd the League berth, and Everton the LC berth. As Man United are in the League berth, it's the League berth that gets vacated without replacement. See also: [3] Sceptre (talk) 23:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- There is nothing in the rules or any reliable source claiming Everton is in the group stage, so clearly they are not. As said above, the spot goes to the Czech cup winners. Qed237 (talk) 10:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Branchofpine: Do you have any source to support your claim or is it only your personal thoughts? Qed237 (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Pardon my ignorance, I messed up. Branchofpine (talk) 05:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Branchofpine: No problem, just be more careful next time. If someone removes your edit, it is a good idea not to do it again without discussion (I gave you the warning because you did it more than once). Have a nice day. Qed237 (talk) 09:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Bulgaria
We need to discuss the situation in Bulgaria.
According to standard UEFA rules, if a team is ineligible for UEFA competition, the spot should be passed down. This means that third-placed team in bulgaria would qualify for Europa League and the fourth-placed team would enter a play-off. However, now it seems like the Bulgarian Football Union has announced that the third-placed team will still play in the play-off.[4] This causes the very weird situation that the third-placed team may miss qualification if they lose play-off, while the fourth-placed team will qualify directly, and that is against the UEFA regulations. Qed237 (talk) 12:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
@The TV Boy: Thought I should inform you about the situation as you have been modifying this situation in the article. Qed237 (talk) 12:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Qed237: Yes, because according to the new First Professional Football League regulations form last year (the championship was restructured entirely) the third placed team must play a play-off with the team which has gone through the special play-off round, in this case FC Vereya. This play-off does not transfer to the fourth-placed team if the second PFC CSKA Sofia loses license, so the license transfers to the fourth team automatically. It is a strange situation, but because the play-off round is a special round based on the new BFU regulations from last year this is why Levski can't skip it, and the fourth-placed team PFC Lokomotiv Plovdiv or FC Dunav Ruse based on the last match they play are exceptionally-qualified. Nova TV Bulgaria, who are broadcasting the Bulgarian League said in the source that BFU did not change the play-off match and it still will be played as it was announced before - Levski vs Vereya.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 12:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but when this kind of situation has happened before the national association has had to revert their decision and listen to UEFA. For example Gibraltar had in their rulebook that Cupo runners-up qualified for Europa League if Cup-winner had qualified for Europa League. However, after UEFA stepped in the Gibraltar FA had to change that decision and an other team actually qualified against the Gibraltar FA rules. I would not be suprised if Levski takes this to CAS if they should be eliminated. Qed237 (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- Will see whats going to happen and it's OK to leave it like this, because as of now the BFU has not announced any changes in shedule and Levski v. Vereya is still going to be played according to them, and it seems that CSKA Sofia will be making an appeal to CAS for their license as they insist they should not be treated as a new club, because according to them the fact that the First League is de-jure a completely different tornament from the 2015–16 A Group, as the A Group needed to be legaly dissolved in order for the First League to be made and more clubs were invited to take part in it that allowed CSKA to restructure and take Litex Lovech's legal license, so the three-year rule according to them is not relevant in this case as no league like this legally existed and Litex's history in the previous tournament should be taken in consideration if needed to prove that. Anyway is way to uncertain what will happen, so for now until furter specifications are made we should leave it like this.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 15:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Qed237: The Sport-Technical Commission of the BFU officially announced that Levski and Vereya are playing a play-off. Currently the forth team FC Dunav Ruse has not been announced as taking PFC CSKA Sofia's place as CSKA has decided to make an appeal to CAS.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 11:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Will see whats going to happen and it's OK to leave it like this, because as of now the BFU has not announced any changes in shedule and Levski v. Vereya is still going to be played according to them, and it seems that CSKA Sofia will be making an appeal to CAS for their license as they insist they should not be treated as a new club, because according to them the fact that the First League is de-jure a completely different tornament from the 2015–16 A Group, as the A Group needed to be legaly dissolved in order for the First League to be made and more clubs were invited to take part in it that allowed CSKA to restructure and take Litex Lovech's legal license, so the three-year rule according to them is not relevant in this case as no league like this legally existed and Litex's history in the previous tournament should be taken in consideration if needed to prove that. Anyway is way to uncertain what will happen, so for now until furter specifications are made we should leave it like this.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 15:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but when this kind of situation has happened before the national association has had to revert their decision and listen to UEFA. For example Gibraltar had in their rulebook that Cupo runners-up qualified for Europa League if Cup-winner had qualified for Europa League. However, after UEFA stepped in the Gibraltar FA had to change that decision and an other team actually qualified against the Gibraltar FA rules. I would not be suprised if Levski takes this to CAS if they should be eliminated. Qed237 (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Qed237: Yes, because according to the new First Professional Football League regulations form last year (the championship was restructured entirely) the third placed team must play a play-off with the team which has gone through the special play-off round, in this case FC Vereya. This play-off does not transfer to the fourth-placed team if the second PFC CSKA Sofia loses license, so the license transfers to the fourth team automatically. It is a strange situation, but because the play-off round is a special round based on the new BFU regulations from last year this is why Levski can't skip it, and the fourth-placed team PFC Lokomotiv Plovdiv or FC Dunav Ruse based on the last match they play are exceptionally-qualified. Nova TV Bulgaria, who are broadcasting the Bulgarian League said in the source that BFU did not change the play-off match and it still will be played as it was announced before - Levski vs Vereya.--The TV Boy (talk · contribs) 12:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
@Chanheigeorge: What should we do about this? It is being edited back and forth all the time. Qed237 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Qed237: No idea since I honestly do not know enough about the situation. The play-off is tonight so at least one part of the problem will be resolved. Chanheigeorge (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- I think the best bet is to leave it blank with 3rd/PW in the main body with a note stating that CSKA were declared ineligible so the BFU set up a playoff but CSKA are appealing. As at the moment, CSKA don't technically have the position nor do they playoff winners so just treat it the same as if the season hadn't finished in my view. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)