Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smudge (band)

Smudge (band)

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Severe lack of independent coverage to satisfy WP:MUSIC, a Google News search said much the same. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 02:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I did find a slightly okay reference and added it, but still seems to be lacking. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 03:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Entry in McFarlane's encyclopaedia. Multiple album releases through Half a Cow. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Duffbeerforme: How do either of those denote notability? Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 20:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: McFarlane's encyclopedia isn't a reliable source (nevermind for establishing notability). I'm not seeing the coverage needed. The only chance I'd see is the claim of being signed to Half A Cow, as they might be a notable independent label (thus meeting #5 for ensembles on WP:NMUSIC, but the Half a Cow article is almost entirely unsourced, and most of the musicians/ensembles listed on their page don't appear to necessarily jive with the claim (and have substantial sourcing issues themselves). I'd need to see a lot more reliable sources all around here. In fact, I'd say a number of these other associated articles probably need some serious scrutiny to make sure they conform with WP:BLP. Waggie (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ian McFarlane's Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop is definitely considered to be an independent reliable source. Dan arndt (talk) 02:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep entry in McFarlane, in AllMusic, two (or more) albums issued by a notable independent label, the group toured Australia, supported an international artist and hence passes WP:NBAND#1, 4, 5.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment see also previous AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smudge, before Smudge was made into a dab page.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:59, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if you read the band's Allmusic listing you'll see that the band have had a number of international releases on US and AUS labels, they have toured Europe and Australia. If you do an internet search you'll also find there are a significant number of independent references to the band on Australian and UK websites. The band's founder, Tom Morgan is notable musician. All of which clearly indicate that the band satisfies the criteria for notability. Dan arndt (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, an entry in McFarlane is definitely good enough as a single reliable independent source, and there is plenty of other material on this band to push them way past the WP:GNG. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Comment: Hi there Dan arndt, Lankiveil, and Shaidar cuebiyar. I am changing my vote, as I would say the article sourcing overall has been improved enough to establish notability - thank you for improving it. However, I want to point out that it is not because of the McFarlane entry or the AllMusic entry. These are not reliable sources. McFarlane is not journalistic, nor does it have the traditional fact-checking and editorial control that is expected of a reliable source (it's effectively a blog of Ian McFarlane, a nice one, to be sure though). Why do I think the AllMusic entry isn't a reliable source? Nick Corr doesn't appear to have written anything else, whatsoever for AllMusic, I find that quite odd if he's a journalist for them. I'm an IT person and I think any number of IT-related forums and blogs are a fantastic resources, but are definitely not reliable sources. Waggie (talk) 02:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]