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Tistory images explained

Hello,

There has been old, long, never-ending dispute regarding tistory-uploaded images' copyright status. I have explained as much as I can on c:User:-revi/Tistory. So, if some commons admin deletes some valid tistory.com images for copyvio, point to the page. Since I know there are lots of tistory.com uploaders watching this pages, I'm just writing here. Should you have any questions, don't hestitate to ask me on my commons talk page. — regards, Revi 04:54, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@-revi: Thanks! Do you think it would be useful to create a category Images from Tistory and briefly point to your explanation on top of the category page? Much like I did with c:Category:Images from LGEPR. We had the same issue with commons admins, not believing that LG released its images under CC. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 19:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, fine, but there should be one cat per blog (*.tistory.com or custom domain) and all cats should be categorized into one metacat. So structure should be like this;

(Category: Part intentionally omitted)
Image sources of South Korea (or something, I'm phone right now)
ㄴ Images from tistory
  ㄴ Images from wasabcon (similar cat exists, as I remember creating it...)
  ㄴ Images from toto1024.tistory.com
  ㄴ Images from ***.tistory.com

— regards, Revi 05:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Any opinion? If nobody opposes, I'm going to do the tedious cat work.... If someone can give me a list of tistory blogs on Commons, it would be even better. — regards, Revi 09:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

People here: I created a meta cat c:Category:Images from Tistory but I want to have a consistency for the subcat name... See c:Category talk:Images from Tistory for details. — regards, Revi 10:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

F(x)'s Krystal

After much thought, I'm going to propose a move of Krystal (singer) to Krystal Jung (Please refer to this discussion for any discussion of moving the page. Thanks again! Tibbydibby (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tistory blogs

Hello, (I didn't want to revive #Tistory images explained thread...)

I started creating categories for tistory blog files, but I lack the information about the blogs. If you can leave a domain (domain is sufficient, I will do the rest (getting list of files, creating cat and inserting, cleanup, etc). Best place would be my talk page on Commons but I will monitor this page too.

Thanks for your help, as always! — regards, Revi 18:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tablo

Can any of you folks help settle a recurring dispute at the article Tablo? The article says, supported by sources, that Tablo was born in Seoul. But there are frequent attempts to change it to say he was born in Jakarta. Consensus has been Seoul, and the people who try to change it are usually new or anonymous users, but that doesn't prove they are wrong. A problem is that Tablo has in the past been the subject of widespread misinformation on the internet (especially the internet campaign in 2010 to deny that he graduated from Stanford). Another problem is that the sources cited are in Korean. Can any Korean speakers help us to sort this out - and point to definitive sources that we can use from now on? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For starters, try requesting page protection for Tablo and then maybe ask other editors about what else to do. Tibbydibby (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What do I do with this iKON page?

As I was moving the references on iKON's page into columns I noticed at the top someone had put this: main article >> iKON activity I'm not really sure what to make of this page as I have never seen an "activity" page before for any artist. Whatever it is it clearly doesn't go in the references but I don't know where else it goes since it seems to span multiple categories of information. I might submit it for deletion or merge. I'm not sure yet as I need to take a closer look. Anyone else care to give feedback on what to do with it? Or have you seen this sort of page somewhere else? Peachywink (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eradication of variety show sections

The topic of completely removing variety show appearances from K-pop groups/idols/artists has been discussed a lot recently and I think it is about time we had a proper conclusion or consensus on the matter. It is extremely common for South Korean artists to appear and promote on variety shows such as Weekly Idol, After School Club, Happy Together, Hello Counselor, Running Man etc. On some articles (for example Cosmic Girls and Gugudan who are relatively new groups) this content alone takes up a large portion of the article itself. Is a one-off guest appearance on a TV show really notable enough to be included in an encyclopedic article?

Here are some links to previous discussions which I find to be notable:

Applying this same logic to western artists for better understanding: you do not see artists like One Direction, Fifth Harmony, Ariana Grande, Rihanna etc. having long lists of minor appearances listed on their articles. Abdotorg (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are several types of variety shows additions in Kpop articles here on Wikipedia:
Groups:

1a: Articles like Pristin, where a single member made a guest appearance on a variety show, yet it is listed on group's article.

2a: Full-group guest appearance on a variety show, listed in group's article.

Individuals:

1b: An artist is a member of a group – the group makes a guest appearance on a show, but it is listed on individual member(s) article(s).

2b: An artist make a solo guest appearance on a show, it is listed on it's article.

In my opinion, all those appearance mentioned above needs to be deleted as those guesting apps adds nothing to their careers, its a fancruft thing.

What should be listed in "Filmography" section per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, is:

Lead role/supporting role/cameo (only if credited) in a drama (is "web drama" notable?), movie, sitcom, TV series (not a variety show).
Regular, fixed MC/host on any variety show.
Regular cast on a variety show (needs to be an indefinite period, not appearing on 3-4 episodes in a row as a pre-planned guests, because that is still a guesting)

The only problem I see is with "contestant" role; one of the many examples is King of Mask Singer – Does this counts as a guesting, or is being "contestant" in a variety show notable enough for mention? Snowflake91 (talk) 19:27, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen it referred to as fancruft frequently and I agree that removal of such appearances is probably the best idea. I, myself feel web-dramas are notable as they are still series' after all, much like series on Netflix/Hulu/Amazon. With KoMS I am unsure whether to class it as a competition or a variety show, usually participants only appear on a couple of episodes, so it is most likely not notable enough for filmog.

To counter the backlash that is constantly seen when removal of variety shows is issued, we could consider creating participant categories (eg. [Category:Weekly Idol participants], [After School Club participants], [Category:Happy Together participants], [Category:Hello Counselor participants] etc.) similar to [Category:King of Mask Singer contestants] and [Category:Running Man (TV series) contestants]. Abdotorg (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just posting to say I agree to removal of such sections, as others have stated. It is pure fluff and isn't necessary. Categories are perfectly reasonable as Abdotorg stated. Evaders99 (talk) 01:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the removal, but not for shows like King of Mask Singer where artists participate in what is technically still a competition. As for the minor appearances on these variety shows, we could just expand the shows' pages. Lonedirewolf 02:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I do agree with the suggested removal, but in condition with what the others above me have suggested as well. Having categories as Abdotorg suggested or expanding the show's pages as Lonedirewolf mentioned are a reasonable alternative. Suugaapio (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go more with Abdotorg's proposal, but at the same time, I think Lonedirewolf's own is also good. RafaelPPascual (talk) 04:31, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removing guest appearances, keeping contestant roles and cameos in movies and dramas, and creating categories like Abdotorg suggested. --Chiya⁹² 08:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same opinion as Chiyako92 right above me. --ChoHyeri (talk) 08:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also think creating categories as Abdotorg suggested is a good idea. --IrieArthur (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with Abdotorg's suggestion. Creating categories would be a better option. - CJojoC 16:41, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Add me to the list in agreement with Abdotorg's proposal. Unless they have a major role in the show throughout the season, there is no reason to include guest appearances just to fill up space.Ersity8 (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Chiyako92. In addition, if a member has an individual notable work but still doesn't have his/her own article, it can be added on the 'Members' section in a sentence form. See Twice_(band)#Members as example. Accireioj (talk) 07:50, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What about being an MC on one episode, should this be included or is this guesting as well ? Snowflake91 (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Abdotorg, create the participant categories and add for artist who have a guest appearance (for only one episode, or few episodes but non consecutive) on a show. I also agree with Lonedirewolf, do not remove their appearance on a music-variety show like KoMS or other similar program such as Immortal Song, ICSYV ... and other appearances as a cast member such as on LotJ ...

You say KoMS is a variety program, not wrong, but in parallel it is also a singing program where the participants (not the panel) should mainly express their vocal skills, not principally their entertaining skills. For someone who are wondering what will participation in the variety show bring to their career, look at Hwang Chi-yeul, from an anonymous artist and a vocal trainer for idol (such as Infinite) what has he achieved after appearing on ICSYV (also a music-variety show) as a normal participant. Do not despise South Korean varierty programs, they will shine if they have real talent or at least have a place in the entertainment industry later, and vice versa, because no one is sure they will forever be idol in a group or singer, they can start another role after being guest in few variety shows (such as Leeteuk, he is quite successful with his other roles in the entertainment programs next to his singing career as a Super Junior member, such as host for ICSYV). For idols, music is important when they are in a group but it's not everything, survival or not in the entertainment industry is also their career. Kenny htv (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with most of this and would be happy to make the articles I watch comply. But I just want to add that for cameos, if they should be notable, they must have proper citation to prove notability from at least two news sources. I had someone continually trying to add a cameo role on a page where the person appeared for maybe 5 seconds in the show. Also if we keep music variety show guest appearances we should also keep dance ones like Hit the stage. Lastly, I do not feel guest MCing on a music show is notable in most cases. What does the one appearance add to the artist career? not much. Peachywink (talk) 20:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]