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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 12.180.4.162 (talk) at 23:31, 29 September 2006 (→[[Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur]]: review). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur

Peer Review

I have been working on this article for quite some time, and now find it good enough to be a featured article. The article uses some text from the Indian Institutes of Technology article (another FA that I had major contribution in writing). I have tried to use as less text from it as possible, at the same time making sure that the article is comprehensive enough to stand on its own. The article uses several self-published sources as its reference, though I have made every attempt to make sure they are used only in the capacity self-published sources are allowed as a reference. Recently, the article had a lot of its references for trivial claims removed, so arranging for missing references won't be a problem. The article uses only free images, with the exception of the institute logo. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Object:
    • Get rid of the {{inotes}}; they're utterly useless from the reader's perspective, and have been deprecated for some time.
    • The "Student life and culture" section is somewhat lacking in citations.
    • Footnote #19 is pretty cryptic. What does "Water Works Section, IIT Kharagpur" mean in this context? Kirill Lokshin 15:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply. I have taken care of the footnotes. They weren't useful from reader's perspective, but have utility for explaination just like footnotes/endnotes. Since none of them were critical, I have removed them completely. Can you please point out which sentences would require citations. As I said in the first paragraph above, a lot of references for trivial (undisputable) claims have been deleted recently, so restoring them back won't be a problem. The footnote #19 refers to the briefing given by the Head of Water Works section to the students. Any suggestions on how it should be re-written for clarity? — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A significant improvement over earlier IIT articles:

  • (Would like to see this cited in the lead, so I don't have to go looking for the cite.) "IIT Kharagpur is widely regarded as one of the best engineering institutions in Asia." I found this later, but it's not clear they are saying the same thing? "In the Shanghai Jiao Tong University's Academic Ranking of World Universities, IIT Kharagpur was the only IIT listed among the top 500 universities worldwide.[12]"
  • (Committee, or is there a word in India I don't know? All four institutions, or all the four institutions?) The interim report of the committe urged the speedy establishment of all the four institutions
  • (Common course structure seems awkward: a common course structure, or common courses?) The first year of B.Tech. has common course structure for all the students.
  • Would like to see notable alumni referenced: don't want to open the door to other FAs which don't cite notables.

Overall, it's in good shape. Sandy

  • Reply. Thanks for the compliments, though there have been only one IIT article before at FAC. I have taken care of your objections. For the first point, I have changed the sentence to "....IIT Kharagpur is regarded as one of the best engineering institutions in India", and provided a ref for it. I have fixed the minor spelling mistakes in second point, and rephrased the third. I have also added five refs to the Alumni section. Please have a look and tell if more are needed. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Sandy 19:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possible issues. Sorry for listing so many:
  • "Indian educationalists Humayun Kabir and Jogendra Singh constituted a committee". Were they the only two members? If you mean "formed", try that instead.
  • The word "committee" is used four times in one short paragraph (first of the history section)
  • "persuaded Jawaharlal Nehru... to establish the first institute in West Bengal, that had the highest concentration of industries at the time." Poorly formed sentence—"which" in place of that would be an improvement, but recasting it entirely would be preferable.
  • What's a "fresher"?
  • Flow issues, especially in the second paragraph of the history section (near the end). The part on the name and inauguration is completely unrelated to the info on the historical building (and that part could use some work... tell a story, not just a sequence of facts)
  • The use of italics seems excessive... "director", "deputy director", "board of governors", "wardens"; these are all extremely common and undeserving of special attention.
  • Could we link to the currency in the Administration section?
  • "comprises of" sounds clumsy; "consists of" is better. Or reverse the order and just use "comprise".
  • "with a cumulative cumulative grade point average"... spot the redundant word =).
  • In the Campus section, "township" is a little strange—that word to me implies something official, as in a political entity. Is that the case?
  • "There are 18 hostels along the Scholars Avenue, that extends from the institute gate to the B." Same problem as before (3rd point)
  • What's "defence staff"?
  • What's "PGDIT"?
  • What's a "lecture class", and why is it different from a normal class?
  • "two big auditoriums on either sides." --> "two big auditoriums on either side".
  • Is it "guest house" or "guesthouse"? I prefer the former, but be consistent.
  • "it would wean them from the benefits they enjoy from the amenities provided by the institute." How about "it would hinder their access to amenities provided by the institute"?
  • In "Admissions and academics", shouldn't the reservation policy stuff be together?
  • "The first year of B.Tech. has common courses for all the students. The common courses include the basic courses from various departments." The second sentence is almost entirely worthless.
  • "from their respective departments, that are known", "programs, that integrate", "engineers and scientists, to learn new technologies"—comma problems.
  • What's "worth Rs. 41.70 crore"?
  • Words like "indiscipline", "ragging", and "rusticated" need to be replaced.
  • Conversion needed for "a height of 20 ft" and other measurements. --Spangineeres (háblame) 01:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply. Thanks for the detailed review. I have addressed nearly all your concerns. Here are the ones that need special mentioning.
    • I have reduced the occurances of "committee" to twice (as against four times).
    • The word "township" is used in the institute's history page. Does it still requires replacement? PS: the page has outdated statistics.
    • I have restricted use of "lecture" to only "lecture halls". "Lecture classes" are now called "classes".
    • I have clarified that its revenue worth Rs. 41.70 crore.
    • I have replaced "indiscipline", though I couldn't see why it would be wrong to use.
    • I have explained "ragging" for worldwide view, though still mention the word in braces as this is the way it is referred to in the sub-continent.
    • I have provided conversion of units to nearest whole numbers.
  • Please let me know if there are any more issues. If anything improves the article, we should be thankful for it, not feel sorry :) Regards, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't understand "Rs. 41.70 crore". I presume it's currency, but why the "crore"? Indiscipline is a word, but isn't used much in my experience. Using it later that paragraph is fine once the context is established, but leading off with it is a bit jarring to me. I would still drop the use of "township" unless there's an explanation somewhere of what it actually means. It's a vague term, making it less than helpful. As for units, which are more common--English or metric? The article goes back and forth: there are km of roads, acres of land, and feet of width. I'm not sure what the convention is for India-related articles, but I expect that it should be metric first, with English in parenthesis. --Spangineeres (háblame) 16:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Reply. Thanks for pointing it out. I have been hunting the wrong animal! Anyway, I have corrected it. I have also eradicated the word "township". The units error was a serious one, I admit, but I have fixed that too throughout the article. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have addressed all the issues. Are there any more? — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I now support. Only suggestion is that references be added for the Vision 2020 fundraiser, the second paragraph of the Undergraduate education section, and the information at the end of the Student life section (Rangolis, etc.). Some prose improvements could be made, but overall, nicely done. --Spangineeres (háblame) 17:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks good. KnightLago 02:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. No issues. --Antorjal 13:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments --
  • (the then Chief Minister of West Bengal) -- remove brackets
  • (2,100 acres) remove brackets, convert to rounded equivalent metric and put imperial in brackets.
  • IIT Kharagpur is particularly famous for its Illumination and Rangoli festival, in addition to Spring Fest, its social and cultural festival and Kshitij its technology festival.

-- cpedit needed

  • The first image in =History= needs to be aligned right. The next can be left aligned.
  • (USA) --> in the United States
  • remove "()" and flow with sentence
  • 120km plz follow MoS
  • Imperial equivalents needed.
  • 1990-2006, nothing eventful has happened?
  • is linked to the other IITs' --> linked? odd wording
  • (professors, associate professors, and assistant professors) --> flow
  • Noticed many such sentences. Please flow as () serve as a break.
  • Rs. 100–200 --> all currency related topics need to be linked to US$ for international compatibily coversion. Make sure that in the footnotes you have ..As of...
  • The classes are usually held between 7:30 a.m. and 5:30 p.m IST. -- trivia, remove
  • Locator map needed. Cannibalise & modify from the one at IIT
  • The classes are usually held between 7:30 a.m. and 5:30 p.m IST.
  • for SC and ST students -- makes little sense for non Indian readers
  • Hijli Shaheed Bhawan image conflicts with the =Civic amenities= heading. Right align.
  • Avoid left aligning images at the start of a section.
  • = Sponsored research and industrial consultancy= long title. Shorten
  • Government agencies --> government...
  • Stub red links

--Anon 23:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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