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From the other day...

... Didn't have time in the middle of my ^$(%*$ weekend to say so, but actually I first picked up on the whole reversions thing from your talkpage message to me. And I did mean it when I said thanks for stepping in, both trying to protect the information and giving me a clue what was going on. So thanks much.... almost tempted to drop a barnstar in thanks but thought a personal word might mean more. Best, LaughingVulcan Grok Page! 23:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Vision Windows

Thanks for helping out me out a lot. I can honestly say that if it wasn't for your constructive criticism, that I wouldn't be as good at making articles. The page I created is now up for deletion (again), despite it passing inclusion. I honestly don't understand how that is possible because I worked hard to get the article up to par. But it would be greatly appreciated if I could have your word on this. Once again thanks for the help. :) SWAloha (talk) 04:31, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SWAloha: Thank you for the notification and sorry it took me so long to get round to replying; I've voted at the AfD. jcc (tea and biscuits) 16:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your help. I notice most of your edits are on South Asian subjects which i find interesting as I'm reading some of these articles. Where are you from? SWAloha (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
I think you truly deserve this, Jcc. I mean you're the one who refined my article on MKU and made it worthwhile to be on Wikipedia.

Though i have done a good number of edits on Wikipedia, I'm still a newbie. So, thank you very much for your support! And I'm gonna come back to you every time I find some difficulty with wikipedia:) Dr. Dabby (talk) 12:53, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notice sir. I wouldn't upload any artworks of mine in my name sir. sorry.Rajasekharan Parameswaran (talk) 06:41, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Jcc. You have new messages at Class455's talk page.
Message added 19:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Class455 (talk) 19:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Just wanted to say a huge thanks for your kind words on WP:RFP/NPP and all your work so far. You deserve this! Enjoy. Class455 (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you for sending me a Barnstar

Thank-you for sending me a Barnstar. I have no idea who you are or why you felt prompted to show this act of kindness.

I wonder if I could prevail on you to do me a favour?

I have completely overhauled a number of pages in the marketing area which had poor quality tags attached. Thankfully two of them have now had these tags removed. But there are two pages that continue to have quality tags despite undergoing substantial revamp in terms of content, structure, referencing and formatting. The relevant pages are:

  • Market segmentation
  • Brand awareness

Would you be so kind as to run your eyes over them briefly, and if you think it is appropriate remove the tags? I am not suggesting that they are perfect, but they are both a major improvement on the previous versions and I am confident that there are no glaring issues outstanding. I do not expect you to read them in their entirety - but just a cursory glance should demonstrate that the specific quality tags no longer apply.

Many thanks, and regards BronHiggs (talk) 21:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@BronHiggs: Sorry, I will read the pages, and go over them as best I can, but I feel it would be inappropriate for me to remove the tags as I am not an expert in the area of marketing, and that task might best left to someone who knows more about marketing than I do. Apologies, I know it can be disenchanting to have an article you have worked a lot on to have a tag left on it. jcc (tea and biscuits) 18:40, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jcc: No problem. You are off the hook. The page on market segmentation appears to have had its tags lifted by an unknown person and the page on Brand awareness is relatively small and of little consequence. But thanks for considering it.

British Rail Class 455

Congratulations, it's a...
...Wikipedia Good Article!! Shearonink (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher). Shearonink how did you get the drawing of the 455? That looks so good! Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 07:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but all I did was I poke around Commons...A lot! Did a search for "British Rail Class 455". When I do a GA Review I always give the nominating editors a "Wikilove" that is personalized with an image related to the article I reviewed but that does not appear within that article. For instance, I reviewed Nearest-neighbor chain algorithm and placed File:Ambigram-8-eight-math-2-1-5-rotation-mirror-basile-morin.gif in the Wikilove message I gave that editor - because I couldn't find an algorithm on Commons and the File seemed to be the next-best thing. Shearonink (talk) 16:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of British Rail Class 455

The article British Rail Class 455 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:British Rail Class 455 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Shearonink -- Shearonink (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
For helping to promote British Rail Class 455 to GA Status. Thanks for all the effort you've put in and for this you receive a barnstar! Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 07:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

"lets hope for a civil discussion"

Thank you for quality articles such as British Rail Class 455, for welcoming new users and warning others "for unconstructive editing", for dealing with articles for creation, for requesting comments to check if consensus changed, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Wow, thank you :) jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:31, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New Pages Review

Hi Jcc. We've noticed that after being a regular page patroller through the Page Curation system since 2013, you suddenly stopped in January and are now concentrating on AfC. If there is a particular reason why you are no longer patrolling new pages, do please let us know as it will help us to make further improvements to the system and encourage others to use it. If in the meantime you have no further use for the Page Reviewer right, don't hesitate to ask me or another admin to remove your account from the group. It can be reinstated at any time on simple request. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:39, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kudpung: A lack of time to do both mostly. Honestly, I prefer the "feedback loop" you get with AfC, where with promising drafts you can work with the writer to improve the article, hence given a straight choice between the two, I spend the time I do have on AfC. AfC editors naturally have more motivation and so work with AfC reviewers to improve their articles so it can be promoted into mainspace. jcc (tea and biscuits) 12:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your prompt feedback. I understand, and it's very important. NPP is indeed fairly impersonal and the dreary prt of it is that around 90% (at the last count) of pages by new users are totally inappropriate/unacceptable, and no amount of doctoring can possibly turn them into articles - as I am sure you are only too well aware. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:16, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 15:48:19, 25 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Mintaine


I added a recent article in the Guardian newspaper covering this organisation (https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/mar/10/china-toy-factories-migrant-workers-disney-mattel-toysrus) to increase notability. Can you tell me why this does not count as a major source?

Mintaine (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have resubmitted so another reviewer can take a look at it. jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:54, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

00:34:04, 5 June 2017 review of submission by Intellectual Designers


Hi Reviewer, How can a draft written in your own words have a citation or reference? My group and I thought every statement on wikipedia deserves a citation or reference. Please review our work, point out each and every copyright infrignment and teach us how to make it into our own words. Counting on your cooperation. Thank you.

@Intellectual Designers: See here- it tells you which parts have been copied (the highlighted bits) which I shan't replicate here for obvious reasons. For help on how to rewrite it into your own words, read this guide. jcc (tea and biscuits) 19:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OM10

Hi. I looked at OM10's talk page after seeing the COI noticeboard report. Your warning, level 4im - the harshest available, is WP:BITEY. The editor hadn't been warned previously, and it's quite possible they've no inkling they're doing anything wrong. I know AGF's not always easy, but these two articles are far from the worst I've seen, and the subjects at least seem notable. Maybe next time start with a Uw-advert2 and uw-coi. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 20:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. They are not a new editor. jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Many thanks for your work :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:33, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added several new sources and reviews to the draft page Hillbilly Golf Gatlinburg.

Hello,

I recently resubmitted the Hillbilly Golf Gatlinburg draft to be reviewed again. I have include several other sources, reviews and others talking about the golf course as well on these sites/web pages. Please review my draft again. Thanks very much and have a great rest of your week!

Best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:6022:4500:88AF:B4AD:FB0D:7F2A (talk) 10:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@2605:E000:6022:4500:88AF:B4AD:FB0D:7F2A: I've commented on the draft, please read WP:Referencing for beginners. jcc (tea and biscuits) 22:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Moors murders

Evidence if evidence was needed that you know as much about the authoring of a featured article, and being able to source it reliably, as I do about the mating habits of the Dead leaf mantis. Please familiarise yourself with this guide in order for you to prevent this embarrassing little faux pas from happening again. CassiantoTalk 22:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cassianto: Your insults are getting boring now and are somewhat tedious- please think of some better ones. I didn't check the version I was reverting to- I was unaware the IP editor added in the IMDB source. As an AfC reviewer (reviewing drafts right now) I assure you I know quite a bit about the reliability of sources. If you go to the talk page I have no question that you'll get a consensus to remove it quite quickly. jcc (tea and biscuits) 22:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You've assured me to nothing other than the fact that you're quite happy to go against a consensus if it means you become embroiled in a bit of drama. Maybe you should check your edits before you wade in to arguments to take the moral high ground. I won't respond here any further. CassiantoTalk 22:33, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cassianto: I have have no idea what you could possibly be talking about, without diffs, expect this to be removed. Please get off my talk page, and if you don't want drama then don't throw around insults. jcc (tea and biscuits) 22:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

01:16:37, 18 June 2017 review of submission by 2605:E000:6022:4500:B8E2:F0BC:25FD:94B7


Hello. Would you help me by telling me how to go about adding inline citations for the links I have already posted in the reference section? I will gladly add whatever is needed to get this draft approved. Thanks 👍

Hi, here's what you do. For every claim in your article e.g. "the golf club is the most visited golf club in Wikitown..." Add this code at the end of the relevant phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers (after any punctuation, and without a space before the beginning of the <ref> tag).
<ref>freetext</ref>
Whatever text, formatting, or templates you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "References" section as the text of your reference. I hope that's clearer! jcc (tea and biscuits) 17:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

06:53:16, 18 June 2017 review of submission by Hsan22


Hi Jcc,

Thankyou for feedback!

As you can see I am having a few issues getting the entry over the line.

Datacraft was a leader in the IT field during its nascent period in Australia, a large supplier to government and corporate (as well as contract R&D and manufacture)... it grew from a garage to having over 500 staff (in Aus alone), two manufacturing plants (electronics and a Gaming Machine facility supplying Aus casinos and clubs), R&D facility as well as extensive sales and service organisation across Aus and Asia ...AUD300 million in '97 would be around $AUD600-750 million today (not small!). Datacraft Asia was also a leader throughout Asia and gave Dimension Data the vehicle to expand thru Asia Pacific.

As most of Datacraft's life was pre-internet and (most likely) documented mainly in Aus trade publications and newspapers that require subsciptions there's not a lot of the 'high quality' info on this company to the depth apparently required, let alone verify all the functions or accomplishments of the company. Accordingly I have relied on multiple independent sources to establish notability. Each reference used is not related in any way to the subject company (as was a reference in my initial version) and from across the world (Aus, China, India, Germany and US).

I have also tried to apply "The Golden Rule" : eg I am sure Bloomberg would check the veracity/sources of its info.....and the book I referenced (is on Google Books, but can be purchased online) bills itself as "... the fourth edition of what has become an established reference work, MAJOR COMPANIES OF THE Guide to the FAR EAST & AUSTRALASIA. This volume has been carefully researched and updated since publication of the previous arrangement of the book edition, and provides more company data on the most important companies in the region. ..." The German publisher commenced in 1842 so I have a bit of confidence in what they say. The others are newspapers, a trade pubs and a commercial company database. Although the latter could be replaced with http://www.delisted.com.au/company/datacraft-limited if it helps.

So I guess I am asking for your advice on what further is required here given that not a lot is hitting the mark for notability .. do I just keep adding references??

Regards hsan22

@Hsan22: The Bloomberg source you linked is a "profile" and not an indication of notability. Book sources/industry magazine sources/offline newspapers are absolutely fine to use in Wikipedia- you aren't just limited to online sources! To add them use Template:Cite book or Template:Cite news. Add a few and I'll take another look. I'm not sure that I'd agree with your assessment that "each reference used is not related in any way to the subject company" as source 2 is a press release, as is Business Standard (says so in the URL), Arnnet and SCMP might be ok. Don't worry about adding depth yet- just add a few sources to see notability. jcc (tea and biscuits) 12:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

07:42:30, 19 June 2017 review of submission by Protium deuterium53


Has the draft been rejected just because of notability? If so, then there is not much that can be done and I will have to forgo trying to publish the article. If there is something else, which can be solved, kindly let me know, so that I can make the required changes and submit another draft for review.

@Protium deuterium53: Yes- that's it exactly- I'm glad you understand. I don't think the subject of the article is notable at the moment- maybe in a few years, but not now. As reviewers, we are supposed to only move articles if we think it would survive deletion in mainspace, and with the sources available now, I think this page would be deleted if it was in mainspace. Thank you for your contributions- please carry on editing Wikipedia! jcc (tea and biscuits) 17:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mischa Weisbord value

Hi I corrected the Mischa Weisbord page according to your remarks. That was over two weeks ago, and it's waiting for a re-review. Please go over it, or else let me know what I should do next tovhave this page on the air. All the best Eran Reiss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eranreiss (talk • contribs) 12:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eranreiss: AfC is very backlogged at the moment- you might have to wait longer for another reviewer to look at it. I'll look at it myself if I get some time. jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

COI

Many thanks for your reply - very helpful. David T Tokyo (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, Jcc. You have new messages at StillEvolving's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I left you another question on my talk page - thanks again

Hello, Jcc. You have new messages at StillEvolving's talk page.
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StillEvolving (talk) 13:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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