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needs work

Hey y'all, Your intro section leaves out Taiwan, which is not in Oceania or SE Asia.. it's in NE Asia.. and I'm not so sure the Filipinos are Formosan. I'll check. Later --Ling.Nut 01:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Info from the 1911 Encyc. Brit.? OK, now I see the prob. This article is new... and it needs more than a little work. Everything needs to be cited; I have doubts about many of the facts as presented. Are we sure that the subcategories given are valid & reflect a consensus among scholars? Are we sure we have other facts straight? I'll try to help, whenever I can. Cheers! --Ling.Nut 02:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I added more stuff, but I'm sorry if its too rough at the moment. I'll probably gather alot of info from the other sections of existing articles related ot the austronesian people(the Malay, South east asians, the pacific islanders, hawaiians, polynesians, etc). I'll probably go ahead and borrow some pics from those articles as well. I need sleep at the moment so anybody is welcome to do this to-do list --Chicbicyclist 03:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

follow the WikiProject Ethnic Groups template

When making new sections, I'd like to follow the template here, albeit disincluding some sections. For example, I would be very hesitant about putting an "appearance" section.(In fact, I removed that section). --Ling.Nut 12:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps changing the name of that section from "Appearance" to "Characteristic Features" in line with the caucasian page. I was actually trying to figure out a better name last night and figured somebody would come along and change it. I still feel it should be included because the austronesians are factually distcintive looking compared to the east asians, causcasians and the africans. I would assume a workable npov entry about it would work. --Chicbicyclist 02:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Filipinos: Formosan as opposed to Malay

User Matthewprc recently edited the Geographic Distribution section and grouped the /filipinos with the Formosan group from the Malays. Any references or sources for this? --Chicbicyclist 09:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The Capelli, et.al. journal (link) specifically answers your question. The haplotypes for Filipino and Taiwanese aboriginal participants were analyzed, and have been found to be similar. In fact, the haplotype of the Filipinos are even closer to that of the Taiwanese aborigines than to that of other Austronesians (such as those in Borneo and in Indonesia). And to further it, Filipinos actually have facial features closer to the Taiwanese aborigines than to the Malays of Malaysia and Indonesia. -- User:Matthewprc 05:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC+8)
I guess the definition on Malay does not depend on the genetic characteristics of the population but on the cultural characteristics. The Philippiines is Malay because like Malaysia and Indonesia, it has been heavily influenced by Indian, Chinese and Islamic cultures. Besides, a substanstial number of Filipinos have genes from non-Asian ethnic groups but that doesn't make them less Filipino. Also, the languages of the Philippines all belong to the Malayo-Polynesian subgroup, which may have different cultural characteristics to all Formosan ethnic groups excluding the Tao people. 23prootie 17:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I also would like to point out that the sample sizes were quite small(I'm not sure if thats significant in the genetic sense), and did not say what part of the Philippines the sample population came from. It's possible that they tested those in northern Luzon, which arguably had less contact with those from the rest of Southeast Asia. Many legends in the Central Philippine islands, while not to be taken without appropriate amounts of grains of salt, speak of waves migration from neighboring Borneo, a few hundreds of years up to over a thousand after the original Austronesians leapfrogged from Taiwan, northern Philippines and the rest of SEA.--Chicbicyclist 20:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Population estimate

Thanks 23pootie. 380,000,000 sounds more plausible than either 350,000,000 or 400,000,000.--Chicbicyclist 00:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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