User talk:BilCat

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BilCat

My bad. I forget to remove flag. ; - ) Wikihistory (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wikihistory: No worries. Wikipedia has a fairly steep learning curve, but it can be a very rewarding experience here. - BilCat (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@BilCat:

Should this edit be reverted?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/789733125

Wikihistory (talk) 06:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Wikihistory: I'd say so, yes. - BilCat (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, BilCat! 2013AtlantaBraves (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

"Thanked"?

I'm not exactly sure why but grazie for the thank you anyway! Dinah In Wonderland 23:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Dinah Kirkland: For giving a good answer on User talk:Oshwah, and saying what I'd wished I said to that user. - BilCat (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Aww 😄 that's sweet of you to say! I gave another awnser, that I hope was as good, but I'm glad that this is coming from an experienced editor ^-^. You just made my day. Dinah In Wonderland 23:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

You're most welcome. - BilCat (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Totally adding you to my watchlist 👍. A hint of warning; you'll be seeing me on a lot of talk pages with things like that now that I know what I can say and still seen nice. Dinah In Wonderland 23:49, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dinah Kirkland: Is you're Italian better than Benniejets English? :) - BilCat (talk) 09:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh my god I talk exactly like that.... Dinah In Wonderland 13:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Well... I used to... when I didn't care about how I spoke. however: Buon spettacolo bello. Ma vedo che lei potrebbe non aver letto il mio Babele. Per ora; I jitkellem bil-Malti u kemm lil oħrajn. Dinah In Wonderland 14:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Really not good italian)Benniejets (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Benniejets: I hope that wasn't a shot at my Italian bello ^-^ Dinah In Wonderland 16:21, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Bello in italian means beautiful it's male;bella is female (it's also plural of bellum-i)..In latin bello is the ablative of bellum-i (war) .Si vis pacem para bellum (If you want the peace prepare the war).Sometimes i use bad english because i write in a hurry.I speak italian,french,english,german,latin and i read russian realizing great part of it(nnot difficult if you studied greek,it derives from it).I like your humor Wonderland).I thanked BilCat because he was honest to admit that Cavour could be deleted from light carriers list.Benniejets (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Cool. Even though bello means Handsome ;). You can see what I speak on my User page because I'm to lazy to type it over here. And Grazie bella/bello. I didn't know I was, Humorous. Dinah In Wonderland 16:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm from the true Italy,the area where is born Renaissance and today western minding.)Benniejets (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm from the Southern Half, and the old Italian Country of Malta (referring to the fact that it was once owned by Italy.) Dinah In Wonderland 16:35, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

We agreed.Don't worry for others.I'll delete Cavour from light carrier article and i'll edit on Talk.The matter is to post clear and very trustble references to classify Cavour and similar size ones like the indian,the french,the russian the next british and the chinese carriers. If Cavour is in light carrier article also all the others are..if it there isn't also the other ones there aren't.... the US ones are all the way heavy carriers.) Benniejets (talk) 13:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water

Andy's filed an AN/I against me, base on "trolling" at the Lotus 12 page earlier today, which I'm fairly sure would be uninteresting to you, except he mentions you, too. (No accusation yet.) So, if you've anything interesting to contribute there... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 06:13, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. He did lie about me saying he's "just a drunk", but whatever. It's not the first time he's lied about me. My comment was just a throwaway to mention the user who did admit to editing while drunk. I don't generally watchlist ANI discussions, but feel free to ping me if there's something I should see or respond to. - BilCat (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Trekphiler, you'll probably end up with a mutual interaction ban, which honestly might be a good thing for you. - BilCat (talk) 06:52, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'd be happy never to deal with him again. (We cross so rarely already.) I'll keep you apprised if there's anything that looks attached to you. FYI, it looks like he's quoting directly from this page; watchlisted, I suspect. (I didn't check the diff he used.) That's how he picked up the remark. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 07:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I've suspected that he either watchlists my talk page, or periodically checks it, and apparently has for years now. It's nothing new. - BilCat (talk) 07:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Huh. And here I thought I had a scoop. :( I'd say something about that kind of behavior, but...it doesn't (quite) rise to the level of objectionable. Usually. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 07:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Wow, it's amazing how people can take poorly-worded comments to mean things one never intended to say, and then outright lie about what I did say. It's probably best I just shut up about this from now on. It looks like a case of "Anything you might say has already been taken down in evidence against you." - BilCat (talk) 09:30, 3 August 2017 (UTC

I feel like I've suffered a transporter accident & wound up with a bearded Spock... You're right about "poorly-worded comment" (mine). The rest was, as I should have been clearer, about friend Andy... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 11:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I was specifically referring to my own poorly worded comments, but if you feel that also applies to you too, I understand. Part of this may be transatlantic cultural differences coming into play. We all speak the same language, but we don't always mean the same things. :) - BilCat (talk) 11:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I didn't find it poorly worded or unclear in the slightest. I, OTOH, could have been talking about anybody...so it's good to know it's not a transporter accident, it's just the pilot. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 11:44, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Wow. I hate witch hunts. Ps, was I not right? "Unparliamentary language" indeed. Of course, you do have a parliament up north, but we don't. We're stuck with a "Congress". - BilCat (talk)

Oh no! I just realized I called him a "Puritan witch hunter". And I don't even know if that is a bad thing in Britain today. Help me, Obi-wan, you're my only hope! - BilCat (talk) 07:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

If I was getting a fair hearing on the issue as raised, I would have no worries & no complaints. By appearances, the issue raised isn't even going to be discussed...&, as you may have noticed, my frustration over that fact has not been carefully concealled. However, to borrow a phrase, "I take what comes". I've said some unpleasant & stupid things, no question. I would be willing to accept a smack for saying them. What appears to be coming, however, is Admins as a group effectively becoming complicit in the next time this happens--because I have no doubt it will. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 07:41, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I wish I could help out more directly, but I can't for personal reasons unrelated to WP. (Sorry I can't be more specific in an open forum.) Given the discussions on his talk page, is Parsecboy directly aware of the ANI? - BilCat (talk) 07:53, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, you do what you can do. No worries. As for Parsecboy, I've actually not even considered advising him of this til now. (Haven't seen him post at the ANI, so...) Not sure it'll help...but I guess it can't hurt. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 08:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow - Operators

Please point me to the MoS or consensus that says that there should be an Operators section for aircraft that never entered operation. As I said, its not there for TSR-2. Mztourist (talk) 06:46, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I can't quote chapter and verse, but a lot of aircraft that never entered service have that section, with the understanding that those are intended operators. Even aircraft built only for research or testing of some sort usually have such a section, such as Hawker Siddeley P.1127. Usually, but not always,the service listed did participate in testing the aircraft. The TSR-2 is an odd exception, but a lot in that article is odd, as it gets a lot of attention from editors outside the aircraft project. - BilCat (talk) 06:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

The P.1127 has a logic to it as it was evaluated by various different countries, but the CF-105 was being developed for one operator who never took delivery, so it seems completely superfluous to have a section that says "Royal Canadian Air Force – Arrow was cancelled before entering service" which is blindingly obvious from all that precedes it. Mztourist (talk) 08:47, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Key word "all that precedes it." For those suffering from TLDNR, the section is useful. - BilCat (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I disagree and will raise it on the aircraft project page. Mztourist (talk) 10:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mztourist: No problem. Feel free to copy over this discussion if you feel it'll help. - BilCat (talk) 10:11, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Nicknames

See Bangalore has So many nicknames including silicon valley of India,garden city of India, fashion capital of India,and pub city of India etc,,,, if you have any misunderstanding please check the Bangalore Pete Wikipedia page you can find answers there, I respect you for concern. Suryavamsha 18:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryavamsha (talk • contribs)

Please cite reliable sources that these nicknames are noteworthy. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Airbus Group

A tag has been placed on Category:Airbus Group requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. —swpb^T 19:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Is this legit? It looked distinctly under-explained on is page, someone seems to have created a new and less useful category. Anmccaff (talk) 20:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Swpb and Anmccaff: I don't generally deal with categories, but I assume this is related to the ill-advised merger of the Airbus and Airbus Group articles. It's probably best to raise any questions you have on this with the user making the changes, or at Talk:Airbus. - BilCat (talk) 23:27, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I have no involvement in the article merge; all I know is that empty categories are speediable. If there's a use for this category, whoever is responsible for it needs to populate it, or soft redirect it to whatever equivalent category is populated. —swpb^T 12:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the "thank you"...

... but I fear you thanked me too soon. :( --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 08:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Bell 407

Hi, I have reverted the 407 to before over the comment of the increase in window size as it is not really that relevant to the article.

On the AW109SP Grand New that I work on we have a larger fuselage than the previous "E" model and the next version up was the "S" which weighed 300KGs more than the "E" and had the increased fuselage - worthy of mention, just like the SP then being produced and the fuselage now being made with carbon fibre to reduce weight further for all the new avionics being added on after the "S" version.

All that to me seems worthy but the subject of one third larger windows seems a bit of unnecessary padding out of an already quite good article.

I welcome your input on this.

Regards

Pam-javelin (talk) 15:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Pam-javelin: You've already made up your mind that it's superfluous, or you wouldn't have reverted, so I don't see what difference my opinion makes at this point. Thankfully, another user has restored it. - BilCat (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, If two others disagree then I am not going to go against that!

Regards

Pam-javelin (talk) 13:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Flag of the Bahamas

Hey there, Bil!

You recently undid an edit to the article on the Flag of the Bahamas in which a new editor added some information about the Bahamas being located in the North Atlantic rather than the Caribbean. Your reasoning was that the information was not relevant for an article about the flag— I am not disagreeing with you. My concern is that the person who made the edit, an edit I encouraged her to make following an OTRS ticket request to fix the article— felt stomped on. I know, I know that you can't be expected to monitor the background of every editor whose edit you may undo, and I am not asking for that. I am only contacting you to say that I think she could be a really good Wikipedia editor some day if we give her a chance to get situated, and that I think we both agree that WP:DONTBITETHENEWCOMERS is super important for the long term prospects of the project. I don't think you meant to bite! I only mean she felt bit, and that matters, too. I have probably done the exact same thing myself more than once but was never told. That's all. KDS4444 (talk) 06:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@KDS4444: Uh, thanks for letting me know, but I would have done the exact same edit if I had known beforehand. Yeah, I would have also given a explanation had I known, but how was that to happen? Perhaps you need to do a little more investigating of a user's issues before giving out advice that might lead to them getting "bit". At the least, some explanation of the issue and the OTRS ticket on the talk page might have been helpful in advance. Otherwise, I don't know what else I would done in this situation, as I stand be my solution of simply eliminating the contentious statements. - BilCat (talk) 07:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I figured. Well, thanks anyway! KDS4444 (talk) 09:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Benniejets

I read through all of those posts and was wondering how does one participate in the conversations at SPI? Dinah In Wonderland 17:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dinah Kirkland: You can make comments in the section called Comments by other users. - BilCat (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Also this IP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.182.181.119 does infact appear to be a Sock puppet but is everyone waiting until the case is closed to block it? Or just doing some research? Dinah In Wonderland 17:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

And thanks Dinah In Wonderland 17:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dinah Kirkland: You're welcome. There's usually a backlog on SPIs, so sometimes it takes a while for an admin to look at them. More than likely, his block will be extended to indefinite, but it depends on the admin. - BilCat (talk) 18:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Sad that this happened. I was beginning to like them (despite the comment on my Italian). I suspected something was wrong when they asked me to put a warning on a Users page for vandalizing. I believe the admin will extend the block with this sock puppeting. Dinah In Wonderland 18:07, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dinah Kirkland: We actually see such self-destruction quite often. Usually it's a relatively young user, but not always. The language barrier doesn't help, but English Wikipedia seems to be more attractive to many users than their own language WPs. And sometimes they've already been blocked there! - BilCat (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

True. And I think this was a young user. Their second launaguges was terrible and the way they typed doesn't suggest "that's how they type when in a hurry" Dinah In Wonderland 18:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Well it's been decided case closed... I have no further questions, thanks for your help. Dinah In Wonderland 19:18, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Sherman Fairchild

Completely up to you. I used the company page since the title was about the former title of the company. I have no objection either way. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Actually, Sherman Fairchild is a biography page, or at least it used to be/is supposed to be one. :) Since Hiller was an aircraft company, I felt the Aircraft company page would be more appropriate. - BilCat (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Makes sense. I just knew it shouldn't be a stand-alone page. Thank for the ping! --CNMall41 (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Cyber Command

BilCat, people are going crazy trying to edit these articles faster than I can roll them back. Any suggestions?Garuda28 (talk) 06:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Garuda28, That's not unusual in a situation like this, and it can be very frustrating. Right now it's in the news, and getting lot's of attention, as anything Trump-related does these days. Sometimes I just let it go for a few hours, and then revert, but often I'll just leave it be, or add a note that, in this case, would say it's still pending. If it gets to be a serious problem, you can ask for page protection at RFPP or by contacting an admin directly. - BilCat (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

thanks BilCat, much appreciated! Garuda28 (talk) 06:39, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Trieste

Set reference please to justify those words.