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October 6

Category:Musical quintets

Nominator's rationale: In the on-going project to deal with the various "groups by size" categories, we've finally reached a case where there are significant groups organized to play music written for a five member ensemble of specified instruments. With the exception of the string quintet, of which we have only one example (the Boccherini Quintet), these are all in subcats. Evrything else is, yes, a five member band, or at least a band which had five members at some point in its history. And as for the larger numbers, this isn't defining. Mangoe (talk) 22:02, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: trivial category. This categorization isn't helpful. If we are going to categorize bands based on the number of members, why not "bands with two men and three women" or "bands with an odd number of members"? Bands containing five members have important in common with one another (with the possible exception of string quintets, which is a more specific category). Yes (band) is a good example: It is tagged as a "musical quintet", which is 99% correct (Yes had five members over most of its history, with brief exceptions) -- but tells us nothing interesting about the band. If you were to list the bands most similar to Yes, they would have various numbers of members. Deep Purple (five members) is much closer to Led Zeppelin (four) than it is to Yes (five). And many bands have changed their number of members without changing their sound. — Lawrence King (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This was previously at CFD and kept only seven days ago. What has changed since then? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:08, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The previous nomination was an omnium gatherum of something like thirty categories of musical groups by number; the primary reason given for keeping by almost everyone was that it was to much to deal with at once. The decision accepted that smaller nominations might succeed. Mangoe (talk) 11:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – my reading of the recent cfd is that editors thought that each should be considered separately: that at some point the number in a band becomes irrelevant. IMO quartets should be kept and octets deleted. I note that Category:Musical quintets has 3 subcats which appear to be entirely valid, whereas Category:Musical sextets (and larger) have no subcats. So I would keep 5 or fewer (possibly as container categories) and delete the rest. Oculi (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The possibility of a container cat did occur to me, but it seems to me that it would be an attractive nuisance which would eventually fill up with bands again. Perhaps you could suggest a rename. Mangoe (talk) 11:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - it is considered defining enough to be mentioned in reliable sources that a band is a quintet, or a quartet, or a trio, etc - and also if a band changed from one format to the other. Our own articles will often mention in the opening statement the style and size of a band (do a Wikipedia search for "five piece band" for example). And while different styles of music are played across different sizes of band, the sound that a trio makes tends to be different to the sound a quintet makes due to the increased instrumentation. SilkTork ✔Tea time 11:46, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Political support categories

Nominator's rationale: These six categories violate Inappropriate types of user categories - Categories which group users by advocacy of a position.  Buaidh  18:56, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of shows based on Outfit7 apps

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, Outfit7 only has Talking Tom and Friends as a television show. Merge to Talking Tom and Friends. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:32, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NiGHTS

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom. There is also evidence that suggests that indef'd sockmaster Sonic N800 requested (and then primarily handled population of) this category. Difficult to track as they change IPs and ranges fairly frequently. -- ferret (talk) 16:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hardlight games

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT category with no parent article about the studio. Even if it was notable it could easily be confused with hard light games.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:52, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom. There is also evidence that suggests that indef'd sockmaster Sonic N800 requested (and then primarily handled population of) this category. Difficult to track as they change IPs and ranges fairly frequently. -- ferret (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

18th-century elections by continent

more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just one article per category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Osmosis Jones

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (3 articles), unlikely to grow much larger. Even a navbox would be hard to justify. Trivialist (talk) 02:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]