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Remove Pissedconsumer.com from "media-wiki blacklist"

Hello Cyphoidbomb,

You added Pissedconsumer.com website to the media-wiki blacklist in August 2016 for the following reason: "As of this note there are about 20 links across the project. The site redirects to "Four Seasons Sunrooms Complaints and Reviews" at four-seasons-sunrooms.pissedconsumer.com/ which is obviously not a useful source of any kind. Both sites should be blacklisted, and I'll gladly do the honors."

I do not agree with you decision. This website is one of the leading platforms in consumer advocacy industry where users can share their opinion on products, services from different companies. This website was subjected to black SEO attack ordered by "Four Seasons Sunrooms" company. Please, find here more information - pissedconsumer.com/blog/2017/09/negative-seo-on-pissedconsumer-and-its-effects/

Kindly ask you to remove site from "media-wiki blacklist". Please contact me again if I can help in any way. Kind regards, ElinaSivak (talk) 10:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ElinaSivak: What value does this site have at a global encyclopedia? How does it meet either our guidelines on reliable sources or our guidelines on external links? What scenario do you envision where it would be appropriate to include links to pissedconsumer.com? Based on what you've written above, describing the site as one "where users can share their opinion on products, services from different companies", I'm having trouble envisioning constructive utility of the site at Wikipedia, since as a general attitude, Wikipedia doesn't care what random people on the internet think about any given subject. @MER-C: Do you have any thoughts on this? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely this. Blacklist removal requests from established editors who can demonstrate the site has encyclopedic utility are given the most consideration. MER-C 11:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyphoidbomb: Dear Cyphoidbomb,

Sorry for the delay in responding. I took the liberty of contacting the company and doing a bit of further research before responding to you. Besides doing my own research, I was assisted to put together this response by Michael Podolsky, CEO of Opinion Corp(holding company of PissedConsumer), for full disclosure.

Thank you very much for responding and spending your time reviewing our situation. Pissed Consumer has been an online platform since 2006 and this exchange will hopefully help clarify who we are, what we do, and why we're relevant to Wikipedia and its users.

Wikipedia pages exist for other sites in our industry, and we do not feel they necessarily have more notoriety than us. Yet Pissed Consumer has not been able to get a Wikipedia page for years. I am asking you for an objective review and reconsideration to remove us from your blacklist.

As I am affiliated with Pissed Consumer, I do not intend to write the Wikipedia page myself to avoid a conflict of interest, though I'm happy to provide information if necessary. What I would like, however, is reconsideration of our site and company being blacklisted, so a page can be created.

As I'm aware you consider a company's notoriety in these matters, and as I see you're concerned about what value a consumer review site might have to encyclopedia users, I hope you'll find the below background helpful.

In addition to publishing consumer reviews, Pissed Consumer has been a trusted source of information for media outlets large and small, and even government agencies, for years. We're involved in more than consumer reviews. We're in consumer advocacy, and we've actively worked to protect consumers from unscrupulous reputation management schemes.

Pissed Consumer has been the winning side of prominent industry court cases protecting online publishers of user-generated content. Scams we've uncovered were reportedly a factor influencing changes in policy with Google (information below), as well as an investigation by the Texas State Attorney General. And PissedConsumer has also been active in industry events, presenting at and sponsoring several conferences. As one example, I've been invited to speak at Ungagged in both Las Vegas and London (https://www.ungagged.com/speaker/michael-podolsky/).

I hope you'll consider this broader industry relevance in your review and understand Pissed Consumer is about much more than just the consumer reviews we publish.

Major Media Press Coverage:

Coverage in other media includes:

These are just a handful of media outlets that have referenced Pissed Consumer as a story or source over the years.

Here is more information about key industry issues and some of the bigger stories we've been involved in to give you more context on Pissed Consumer's relevance to Wikipedia users doing research:

1. Pissed Consumer discovered a major scam that was picked up by the Texas AG and a number of media outlets. Legal cases have already been brought as a result of this discovery (more info at the link below), regarding falsification of US California court orders.

  • www.pissedconsumer.com/blog/2016/03/dark-side-of-online-reputation-management-orm/

We were the ones who uncovered the scheme and worked with journalists, such as Eugene Volokh(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Volokh), and other relevant parties (http://Citizen.org) to expose it.

These important legal cases affect the rights and responsibilities of online publishers of user-generated content, and they’ve continued since we exposed the scam last year. These stories referencing us were both published within just the last couple of weeks:

2. As a result of Pissed Consumer discoveries and close communications with Google (based on information from these posts)…

  • www.pissedconsumer.com/blog/2016/03/dark-side-of-online-reputation-management-orm/
  • www.pissedconsumer.com/blog/2016/04/dirty-games-with-dmca-notices-for-pittsburgh-cbs-and-pissedconsumer/

Google changed its policies when it comes to processing complaints about defamatory content, and requiring court orders. You can find more info below:

3. PissedConsumer was embattled with Roca Labs in the Florida courts in a prominent case over an issue the FTC was also involved in. This case involved Roca Labs using questionable gag clauses and legal threats to try to silence consumers from sharing negative feedback about them publicly on third party websites by actually suing those third party websites. You can find more information about that here:

Pissed Consumer is a website used by millions of people around the world as a source for information before making important buying decisions. We help consumers share their experiences and conduct research while helping companies resolve customers' problems to protect and improve their reputations. But we're also a consumer advocacy platform that has, several times over the years, fought to expose scams and abusive DMCA behavior by some companies to protect both consumers and companies publishing consumer content.

We do more than display reviews online. Our software allows us to analyze and highlight hot issues being reported by consumers, sometimes with industry or timely importance. That's made us a trusted source over the years for everything from major media outlets to smaller industry publications. In addition to that and our continued efforts to expose scams and other industry concerns we come across, we also make recommendations to consumers on how to address their issues with companies to seek actual resolutions and even prevent customer service problems before they occur.

I hope this helps you see why Pissed Consumer is more than just a collection of reviews, and why we've become a source of information for consumers and companies related to customer service, online reputation management, and even online publishing issues. I hope Wikipedia users will be able to learn more about Pissed Consumer and these important cases and issues we've been involved with on this site soon, along with other consumer review services already featured (including Ripoff Report, Consumer Reports, Epinions, Yelp, and GripeO).

Thank you again for your time and consideration in removing Pissed Consumer from blacklist. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them for you. ElinaSivak (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vacating a nameplace to make way for another

Hi Cyphoidbomb. Could you have a look at my request here? Or must I lsit this for a bot to do? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 12:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rui Gabriel Correia: -  Done Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Great stuff! Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Permission for add image on Meri Durga

Hello user:Cyphoidbomb,

I want to add a photo on Meri Durga artical. So please give me Permission for add image on Meri Durga.

Thanks, user:Siddiqsazzad001

Hi Siddiqsazzad001 There's already an image in the infobox. What image are you trying to add to the article, and where do you intend to add it? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Li wei ran

Hi sir, how do appeal for unblock ticket request system in Tamil wikipedia? User talk:Li wei ran 09.12, 02 October 2017 (UTC)

@Li wei ran: I don't know anything about the Tamil Wikipedia, but isn't there a link in the block notice? Looks like it to me. Wikipedia takes copyright violations seriously, so you're going to need to convince reviewing administrators that you understand our copyright policies before going through UTRS. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox - Deepika Padukone (Bollywood actress)

I’ve tried to add an Infobox for Miss Padukone, as many others have tried previously but some other randon user reverted the changes back. I had added all the necessary details along with references where possible but still, couldn’t let that Infobox where it should have been. Can you see to it which issues are not been addressed to and why can’t she have an Infobox like all others? Thank You! Harper04 (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Harper04: To understand why you're being reverted, you'd need to read the lengthy discussion about it in the article's talk page archives. If you don't have time for that, the short answer is that a local consensus was established to omit it, and according to Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee, there is no rule preventing or prohibiting the inclusion of infoboxes. So it sort of becomes a local consensus matter. Some users argued against the aesthetics, some users felt it was pointless to have a basic infobox if the same content could be easily found in the lead, some editors are just generally averse to infoboxes, etc. The only alternative for change would be to open a Request for Comment, to solicit input from other community members. This is usually done over a 30-day period. Do I think it's worth the effort? Probably not. Re: your comment on the talk page, "even Deepika deserves an Infobox, as minor as it seems!" Infoboxes aren't badges of honor, they're mechanisms for delivering content. If the other editors who put together that Featured Article felt that the content could be delivered in the lead instead, I'd probably yield on the argument, even if I personally disagreed and felt there was a good deal of dick-waving going on. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I went through all the discussions (as genuinely lengthy as they were) and saw that one of the users said that if nore details such as Alma Matter, place of residence etc were found; then an Infobox would be suitable. So, If these are found along with proper references, an Infobox would then deemed worthy? Harper04 (talk) 21:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Harper04: This is something you're going to have to discuss with other interested members of that article. You've already opened the discussion, why not clarify what you'd like to see added, and consider "ping"ing members who have previously voiced an opinion about it. You can ping users by adding {{ping|Username}} to your comment, like:
{{ping|Cyphoidbomb}} Do you have an opinion on the above?
The ping system is a little bit delicate, so you need to be sure that you proofread your comments before you sign your post and save. If you try to go back and fix something after you've pinged someone, it may interfere with them receiving a proper notification. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hello Cyphoidbomb,
Did you have a chance to take a look at the update to the message 'Remove Pissedconsumer.com from "media-wiki blacklist"'? I would greatly appreciate it if you kindly give me some feedback on it.
Kind Regards, ElinaSivak (talk) 15:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ElinaSivak: Sorry for the delay. I've been swamped. the best place for you to present your argument would be at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed removals. Please read the giant orange-ish block before proceeding. While I believe it possible that pissedconsumer.com did not do the spamming themselves, you're probably going to need to explain to the world-weary admins how removing the domain from the blacklist is going to benefit Wikipedia. As I believe I've said, it's unlikely that the site could ever meet our reliable sourcing guidelines, or that it meets our guidelines on external links. So why would a link ever be added to an article here? That's what you'll need to sell. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from WarriorCK9499

@WarriorCK9499: My apologies for not following the policy of English Wikipedia when editing the article for the South Indian movie Mersal. I have now realised where I made mistakes, and clearly understood the policy and guidelines of English Wikipedia. I promise to make sure that I keep the policy and guidelines of English Wikipedia from now on. WarriorCK9499 (talk) 19:56, 02 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Ok, I understand what I have done wrong with editing the release dates for Mersal(film). Sorry, I have only recently started to edit on Wikipedia, so I am slowly learning all the policies. My apologies for this. But I don't know what made you think it was me who removed all the messages on your talk page. I am sure I did not do that as I was able to clearly see where the changes were made and what was added. WarriorCK9499 (talk) 17:46, 03 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Sorry, I was actually meant to include in the previous message that I have an official reference from ATMUS Entertainment's Twitter page that Mersal(film) will be released on 17 October 2017 in the US. I don't know how I can show you the tweet. WarriorCK9499 (talk) 17:56, 03 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Ok, I understand that I have to add the reference at the end of the sentence. Sorry I was trying to figure out how to do this like all other references, but could not find out. That was why I added the reference separately to all the references already there. But the reference that I have included was a poster that was officially announced by ATMUS Entertainment, which holds the distribution rights for Mersal(film) in the US. So I guess we have to take it as an official announcement as it is made from their official Twitter page. Mersal's(film) Wiki page also confirms that ATMUS Entertainment holds the distribution rights for Mersal in the US with reference. WarriorCK9499 (talk) 12:34, 04 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Sorry, I am still waiting for your response, hopefully permission to include the date of the US release for Mersal(film) because there may be people wanting to know, and I feel it is better to update this on the wiki page before the film's release week begins. I understand that you have so much other work to focus on as well, but I will not know if you have seen my comment or not. So that is why I am posting another reminder. Hope you post a reply very soon. Thank you. WarriorCK9499 (talk) 22:24, 05 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Are you sure that the film is still being released in the US that date? The poster wasn't clear. Wasn't there some kerfuffle about the film being delayed due to tax issues? This was an article sent to me by Kailash29792. (Thanks, Kailash.) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Yes, there are some tax issues affecting all Tamil films about to release in the near future. Until now, it is still not 100% clear whether Mersal(film) will release on Diwali (18 October 2017) as planned, but there has been another issue ongoing for Mersal(film), which was the title issue. There has been a case filed by another film producer couple of weeks ago accusing the Mersal team of stealing the title of their film 'Mersalaiyitten', which is the past tense word of the word 'Mersal'. The court hearing has been taking place for the past two weeks, and the final hearing took place today, and the Madras High Court in India ruled that the title for the film will remain the same, and so Mersal team have retained their film's title. The film was also certified after the court hearing as a U/A film according to Indian age categories. Although the film is still not 100% confirmed to be released on Diwali, all of these announcements made today definitely confirm that the film will be released on 18 October 2017. [1] [2] WarriorCK9499 (talk) 20:10, 06 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@WarriorCK9499: Just to add, I don't think there's any evidence that clearly proves Mersal(film) will be released on 17 October 2017 in the US other than the tweet by ATMUS Entertainment themselves on their official twitter page. I have added reference from the actual twitter page rather than just the poster's reference like I did last time. Hope this proves to you that Mersal(film) will be released on 17 October 2017 in the US. Thank you.[3] WarriorCK9499 (talk) 20:19, 06 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "'Mersal' Title Retained".
  2. ^ "'Mersal' certified as U/A".
  3. ^ "'Mersal' US Release Confirmed by ATMUS Entertainment".

Can you please confirm this photo ?

Hi Cyphoidbomb,

File:Yeh-Hai-Mohabbatein.jpg

I think this file is copyright by Star Plus. The poster belongs to Star Plus and the poster must be non-free use. But the uploader said that the poster belongs to Pranay Star and source is by him. This photo must be speedy deletion. Can you do something? Because I am only a Autoconfirmed user.

Thanks,Siddiqsazzad001 (talk) 16:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I have tagged the image as a copyright violation. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Super Why page

Hello, Cyphoidbomb, can you please do some improvements and edits on the Super Why page? I have done many improvements on it and see if it was helpful. You can do it also. SamSpielberg1 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Updated

Hello Cyphoidbomb

I updated Ishqbaaaz plot. Because the prevoius plot too old. I updated present story but it extend over 500 words. I can't delete previous story because that is also important. My plot get 337 words extra. Because plot story can't be possible in 500 words. Hope you understood my problem.

Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 (talk) 13:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Siddiqsazzad001: Of course it can be done in 500 words. The issue is that nobody wants to cut anything. We're not trying to replace the experience of watching the TV series, only to describe briefly the general shape of the show. Some of the character detail could be moved to the character list, like that Jhanvi is an alcoholic or that Omkara is a billionaire drug addict, or that Rudra is a playboy, etc. The ideal way to deal with plot is to create a list of episodes within that article, and write individual summaries for episodes, like what we have at List of Garfield and Friends episodes#Season 1 (1988) (I'm not proposing a unique article for this, by the way.) Only problem is: nobody ever wants to do this for Indian television shows, and instead we get giant walls of incoherent prose, like this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Complain about this user

Hi Cyphoidbomb,

I want to complain about user:Patelhime. This user just adding : { {div col} } { { div col end } } on Ishqbaaaz cast section. I think it is not valid on this section. Now I fixed but if he again do in this secion what should we do about this?

Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001 (talk) 16:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Editing part

Yes, we are on the same page. --Princessruby (talk) 13:56, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Really appreciate your kind explaination. Thanks.--Princessruby (talk) 20:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool. I think it looks much better now. --Princessruby (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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User I'm concerned with - Ason271

So, I think we've got a doppleganger or it's a clever sock of GOOD morning. It's Ason271. They've been hitting a fair number of articles that Ason27 edits, and their style is very similar to GOOD morning (and all of their IP socks). What do you think? Ravensfire (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ravensfire Ason sounds familiar. I'm going offline for several hours, so I'll have to look into it later. If I somehow forget, I'd appreciate if you'd please remind me. Thanks and regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Did some digging this morning and I'm very confident. SPI is so backlogged and since this is both socking and impersonation, thought to circumvent the process. First issue is the name - Ason27 has been around for a while and is a decent editor. They had a pretty big conflict with GOOD morning that ended up with GM being blocked for repeated edit-warring and multiple unfounded accusations. Here's the user interaction analysis. Rcent IP socks of GOOD morning have been using the same phrasing as 271 in their edit summaries. (Socks are in the 117.249.* - 117.249.* range and are very visible in the articles 271 has edited). Same habits of re-ordering casts by arbitrary guidelines. And note this revert you made of their edits to [[Jyothika], who GM is strident over-promoter. Ravensfire (talk) 15:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ravensfire - Just want to be sure I understand what you're saying. You believe Ason271 is an impostor account? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's a sock of GOOD morning that's acting as an imposter of Ason27. Take the username that you've had a conflict with and add 1 to the name? Just a wee bit obvious. Ravensfire (talk) 15:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ravensfire: Mole has been whacked. Thanks for the tip! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank ya kindly! Ravensfire (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ravensfire: And thanks as always for your usual brand of conscientious open-eye editing. We need more good eggs like you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise by creating articles, I would be considered a paid editor. For your information, I'm not a paid editor. I only create pages about the celebs and shows I like. This is the first time that I've created a Wikipedia page for an upcoming TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessruby (talk • contribs) 23:38, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Princessruby: The issue was raised because your editing behavior at Rishta Likhenge Hum Naya‎ and Pehredaar Piya Ki shares similarities with the many paid editors that have caused problems in articles. Suppression of negative information, ex: burying negative film reviews or masking controversy, is a classic move. Reprinting press releases and otherwise adhering to official narrative is another. If you're not a paid editor, great. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyphoidbomb: - You know I just deleted the message and replied the message you left on my talk page, if you could check it out. Oh okay, well I didn't realize that, cause I created the page for fun, just like I do for celebs. I've been an editor for a very long time now, because Im sort of a Wikipedia addict. I don't know I guess, when I see that a celeb does not have a wiki page yet, i rush and create one for him or her, the same with the upcoming TV show, I noticed it doesn't have a page yet, so I created one. I don't usually create tv show pages, so I decided to give it a shot. Lol, no I'm not. If u still feel like I'm a paid editor, then you can go ahead and delete the page cause I really don't care about the promotional part as I'm not working for anyone. --Princessruby (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Princessruby: I'll take you at your word, and the fact that you are being more communicative is helpful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyphoidbomb:} - Thanks buddy. You seem like a nice person, not all editors/admins are nice. I still have a lot to learn about Wikipedia from you. --Princessruby (talk) 00:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are you aware of Assamese Brahmin Surnames and Gotras (Lineage) at all?

Article doesn't need to mention about Zubeen Garg as a Brahmin, his Gotra and his actual surname Borthakur is sufficient to indicate that he his a Brahmin. Please read Assam's history to understand differences in surnames and the communities they represent before reverting. Quibitos (talk)

I respect your administrative rights but clearly you are not from the region or the community to know people from the Brahmin community of Assam. I have only added the categories to those people who are Brahmins. You will find other biography articles from Assam having similar surnames but I have not added the category as it is known to the Assamese population that they are not Brahmins. It is really sad that you have no knowledge of the region, let alone the knowledge of the community, but you're questioning a native person who knows the subject well? If you really want to validate and want to genuinely audit it, please assign it to an Assamese Wikipedia Administrator to review and confirm. Quibitos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:31, 9 October 2017 (UTC) Bhattacharya, Goswami etc., are not Brahmin surnames? Could you explain the rationale behind your reverts? Quibitos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:35, 9 October 2017 (UTC) Please read this, and this and many others that you would find when you would try and understand more about people of Assam and the communities. Quibitos (talk) 02:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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