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I don't appreciate my good faith edits to be labeled as vandalism. Thanks. Mak (talk) 01:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I generally take "rvv" to represent revert vandalism. Mak (talk) 01:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, just "rv" would probably be better if what you're reverting isn't vandalism. And if it's not vandalism, it's nice to give a reason you're reverting, such as "rv. POV" or "rv. unnecessary spelling change". Mak (talk) 01:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You never got one of these, I think

Welcome!

Hello, Aquafish, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Mangojuicetalk 03:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 3RR or "three-revert rule" is a rule that says you must not revert any page more than 3 times in any 24-hour period. Not that reverting up to 3 times is good! The point is that reversion is a kind of edit warring that makes things worse: the only real point to it is to declare that you disagree with the entirety of the change. Once you've done it once, the other person should know you object, and the time has come to start discussing the issue. As for featured and good articles, check out What is a Featured article? and What is a Good article?. Articles with those statuses are recognized as especially good encyclopedia articles. And BTW, I find that part of the project very rewarding. :) Mangojuicetalk 14:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about the questions. If I don't respond quickly, you can also use the {{helpme}} tag to ask questions. You can't block vandals because only admins can block users. Be careful though: remember that "vandalism" is worse than just edits you don't agree with (see WP:VAN). As for the messages bar, I couldn't say. Sometimes people make slight edits to their comments on your talk page, and this looks like a new message. And sometimes if you open up multiple windows at once, the "new message" thing will show on all of them, and when you check the message, they don't go away. Other than that, no idea. Mangojuicetalk 01:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you can't delete pages. If you want a redirect deleted, it's best to list it at WP:RFD. Mangojuicetalk 20:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Helpme

How do I semi-protect a page like the banners I've seen on other protected pages? Aquafish talk 03:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'd need to be an admin to do that. If not, you can ask an admin to do it for you by going to the admin noticeboard. Jfingers88 03:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Requests for page protection would actually be better. Sorry. Jfingers88 03:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response to your question

No, images are excluded from categories. You can check out WP:CAT for more information. Cheers! -- Merope Talk 02:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am entirely wrong! Sorry about that; there are cats for images--it's just that images are excluded from cats that contain articles. -- Merope Talk 02:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's my fault, I'll revert your edits. (It's easy for me to do it since I'm an admin.) Again, I'm really sorry about this! -- Merope Talk 02:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done. It's easier because I can look at all your contributions and a button appears next to each line that says "rollback". By clicking it, it undoes your last edit instantly. It's extremely helpful for fighting vandalism. -- Merope Talk 02:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just became an admin yesterday, and I have to say, it's a lot of work and a lot of responsibility. Anyway, have a good night! -- Merope Talk 02:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Esperanza!

Welcome, Aquafish, to Esperanza! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is Stressbusters, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. We will send you newsletters to keep you up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Proposals.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Natalya by email or talk page. Consider introducing yourself at the Esperanza talk page! Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). If you're new to IRC, you may find help at an IRC tutorial. I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work!

I'd also like to extend to you a warm welcome. I hope you enjoy the community, and please don't hesitate to come to me with any questions. -- Cielomobile minor7♭5 04:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

your edit pattern

I take it from your edit pattern, you are trying to quickly hit all of the major criteria for Admin status and then make another run at AFD (like you tried with your socks here and on the simple Wikipedia).

I think I should make it clear here at this junction that I'll do everything I am able to prevent such an occurance. --Charlesknight 16:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review help

Thanks for your help with the peer review, but the problem isn't quite fixed. The link to the old peer review (the one where the linked word is "archived") links to the newly posted peer review, and the old one is now gone. Any ideas?--Dark Kubrick 20:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But aren't both peer reviews supposed to be linked on the article's talk page? The talk page now only has the link to the current peer review, which it says is "archived". To get to the old peer review, you would have to type in that whole name.--Dark Kubrick 21:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Very frustrating those tricky links are.--Dark Kubrick 21:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indefinitely blocked

It's quite obvious that you're a sockpuppet of ForestH2 et al., and after continued disruption [1], similar edit patterns [2] [3] [4] [5], and general exhaustion of patience, I have indefinitely blocked you again. Ral315 (talk) 21:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1 2, and 5 are not against me. I am rather suprised you decided to block me. I am HIS brother. What don't you understand? I am allowed to comment on Kpjas' talkpage, allowed to vote delete in Little Einstiens, allowed to change grammer in the Arbitration report for David.Mestel, and I was doing the correct thing in #1. I will request unblock. Aquafish talk 21:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Aquafish (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please see my above comment, a reply to Ral315. I am tired of being blocked. I am ForestH2's brother. I am editing politican articles. Please see the help desk for #1. I do not have the same interests. Nethier disruption. What happend to the promise I had with Mangojuice. No editing the Signpost? I've kept that, I've edited just politican articles. And your also saying I can't vote delete in a wikiproject. Totally absurd. Would someone report this to Mangojuice? And unblock me?

Decline reason:

The evidence is compelling. Guy 13:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I have asked Mangojuice to review this one. Guy 21:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I've edited just politican articles. - why do you lie? Is that all you've edited? No Spongebob articles in there? (Note to any admin looking at this unblock request): Forrest set up a bent Wikiproject with a number of his socks. --Charlesknight 21:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, I edited some SpongeBob articles in there such as The Best Day Ever. I was random aritcling and found that article. Even if it was SpongeBob I decided that it should be deleted and I nominated it for deletion. I am not a member of the SBSP Wikiproject nethier am I editing SpongeBob SquarePants articles besides Best Day Ever and Bummer Vacation. For notice, more thanhalf of my edits are to politican articles and US Congress articles. Mangojuice can you look at my unblock request where I am in detail? Also, can I see a response to the earlier response I gave you? Aquafish talk 21:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I am not a member of the SBSP Wikiproject

So what's all this about? You are not a member but are just editing project pages?


neither am I editing SpongeBob SquarePants articles besides Best Day Ever and Bummer Vacation.

So what's this,and this, what about this? or this?

Why tell such obvious lies? --Charlesknight 22:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very funny. I meant articles surrounding the subjects Bummer Vacation and Wigstruck. Aquafish talk 22:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What about images associated with Spongebob articles? I make it about 30 you have edited - or does that fall under neither am I editing SpongeBob SquarePants articles besides Best Day Ever and Bummer Vacation. --Charlesknight 22:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I will not lie about that. That was because another admin told me to because he thought they were breaking policy but then he found out he made a mistake. Aquafish talk 22:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you edit the same images, and after just eight edits (five to your user page and three to the sandbox) find your way to WP:AIV and "report" multiple socks of (for the record, that one's on AN/I) ForestH2 minutes after the accounts are created. After people start questioning your edits, you claim that you edit different subject areas (how did you know what he edited?), and then only after more questioning did you claim that you're his brother. You also attempt to say that you're unaware of who ForestH2 is, even after you claim to be his brother and shown insight about which articles and pages he has edited. I will not be so bold as to deny the unblock, given that the (un)blocking admin has already been contacted, but strongly discourage this user from being unblocked. Thanks. Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forest told me what subjects he edited here. SpongeBob, Drake & Josh, Little Einstiens....he said he was blocked by Ral315 and Makemi for using sockpuppets and lying. He's in Michigan. I can page him. Would you like that? Do you have something you want to say? I was advised that ForestH2 was Sugarpine; so I was confused for a momment who Forest was. I wasn't supposed to say that he was my brother on my userpage was I? That would have gotten me blocked in minutes...Aquafish talk 22:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And it's just an amazing occurance that you have recently head over to the same userpage (for someone connected to the signpost - a project that your brother has multiple Socks trying to get their teeth into) as at least four of your "brothers" accounts (Sugarpine, Treebark,Carmelapple and the ForrestH2 account itself) ? --Charlesknight 22:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am allowed to edit Kpjas's talk page. I had just learned POV and was ready to show off my skills of the rules there as that was obviously POV. Aquafish talk 23:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I also would like to note, to any admin looking to unblock, that his user account was created just 13 minutes after ForestH2 was blocked. (Other diffs were presented much more eloquently by Flcelloguy above.) Ral315 (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


An Easy solution presents itself - let's just take the man at his word - If I contribute to the same articles Forest did, block me indef. - well there you go. --Charlesknight 22:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't one of his socks also edit Bummer Vacation? Besides, Merope asked me to remove the category so go talk it up with him. Aquafish talk 22:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am self admitting this: VanM is indeed a sockpuppet of ForestH2 according to a list Forest keeps; and Foxearth is one too. I suggest you block them. Any user who sees this should report it to WP:AIV saying "his brother said so" Aquafish talk 23:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


The first follows the pattern, the second seems to an attempt to get (what appears) to be - an editor in good standing banning (well what would you know - Forrest's socks fell out with the guy). Well I'm off to bed I think. --Charlesknight 23:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean well what would you know? If it is what I think it's your not AGF or it's not WP:CIVIL. Report both to WP:AIV or WP:ANI. Aquafish talk 23:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me clarify for any admin considering an unblock - VanM does fit the pattern of Forrest socks but it's a basically inactive one, so I guess that's offered up as a chip to say "what a good boy I am". The second one Foxearth has a pattern of interaction that is similar to many who have interacted with Forrest or his socks. That is to say Forrest makes first contact and then one of his socks turns up to support something that forresth2 has said or to commit vandalism. I see nothing here but an attempt by Forrest to settle a grudge because he thinks the game is up with this sock. It's just more cynical gameplaying from forresth2. --Charlesknight 09:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forest -- I'm not going to unblock you. I did believe you were ForestH2's brother at first, but I really don't anymore: all the diffs above match things that are too specific about Forest's contribution pattern to be a coincidence, even for a brother. You were blocked indefinitely because of all this sockpuppetry, and in continuing to use sockpuppets to evade your block you are being abusive, and we are putting a stop to it. I think that all of your edits since my unblock of you have been in good faith, however, so I do see the possibility of you being unblocked someday, but that day has to be a long way off. I have blocked VanM, since that user's contribution pattern does fit Forest's; I haven't blocked Foxearth, but I have reblocked your IP, revoking the anon-only block status, for 1 year. If you want to come back, I suggest you (1) wait at least 4 months -- if after a long time, you still want to edit, we may be more willing to believe you. (2) When you request unblocking be up-front about things: admit that you are ForestH2 and admit to the sockpuppetry you did and, of course, promise not to continue. (3) In the meantime, really take a break from Wikipedia.. but if you can't, read up on our policies and guidelines. Mangojuicetalk 12:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forest/Aquafish/etc.

I can see that you've been editing in good faith, making mostly good edits. However, your behavior has been disruptive, and that's why I'll continue to block you.

If you're still interested in editing Wikipedia, please e-mail me (Wiki.Ral315@Gmail.com). I would be satisfied to let you continue editing in good faith with the assurance that you would use one account only, that you would give me the names of every account you've ever used, and that you'd be unable to seek adminship. If you're interested, please e-mail me, and we can work on it. Ral315 (talk) 13:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking to me (Aquafish)?, I can e-mail you, and I would not seek adminship. After mangojuice unblocked me I didn't plan to ever seek adminship. I will e-mail you this week, but I can't do it today or tommorow because I'm very busy. Here are a list of accounts that ForestH2 keeps:

  • MatchPat
  • Alan25
  • Treebark
  • QuarterZ
  • ForestH2
  • GrasslandT
  • Larbsaw
  • VanM
  • RainbowSwirl
  • Carmelapple
  • RiverlarkZ
  • Streamwate
  • Sugarpine
  • Lakelawn
  • Fieldrack
  • Aquafish
  • DimeL
  • Apple9

this is only on en.wikipedia. He knows Foxearth's password also. As for simple he uses ForestH2, Treebark, Carmelapple and Jack01. It might be worth doing this: Tell User:Netoholic that simple:User:Lakelawn is NOT ForestH2. He is some different user, and I have no clue who he uses. I would use only one account because I thought the way that anon thingy worked when I was unblocked for a while...it worked well. I had one account (Aquafish) and I coun't edit through my IP or create accounts on my IP. That's how I would do it. Oh by the way, Forest's former IP's are 72.129.123.139, 72.134.40.171, 72.134.40.172, 72.134.40.169, and 72.146.46.91. Also why don't you rechange my IP block thingy so it's anon only, then I can use unblock-un to get only one account and we'd all be fine. One account for me, no socks, no creating more socks due to anon-only IP and stuff like that. I'll email you this week sometime with other info. Reply ASAP. Aquafish talk 14:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just so no one else checks, I checked all those accounts, and they are all blocked already, except "Streamwate" which is misspelled; "User:Streamwater" is blocked already. Mangojuicetalk 16:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


You are still not acting in good faith - you are still playing the brother card - do you not understand what is required? You need to just come clean forrest. Hell even I'd welcome you back in the fold as you were a good editor leaving aside all this nonsense. Stop with this brother nonsense and let's move on --Charlesknight 15:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I said above that Aquafish was a sock of ForestH2? I didn't make that clear...I'll act in good faith again. Aquafish is a sock of Forest. Aquafish talk 23:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But why are you refering to yourself in the 3rd person "He", the explaination above reads like you are talking about someone else (because I sense wikilawyering in the future). Let's just clear this up once and for good - You are Forresth2 and you used aquafish as a sockpuppet account right? let's get this over and done with and get back to work. --Charlesknight 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He? Yes I did use Aquafish as a sock for Forest, and I'm sorry about my grammer. My first language is Swedish or Svenska. Now, you can full-protect all of my socks user talkpages so I am not tempted to use them again. Sorry about the grammer! Aquafish talk 23:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I agree with Charlesknight and Ral315. I never for a second believed that this was Forrest's brother's account, but as I said before, I'd be happy to have Forrest back if he agreed to stick to one account and own up to any other sockpuppets he's created. Mak (talk) 22:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to stick to one account and I just owed up to sockpuppets I created when I replied to Ral315. Could you tell him, I will e-mail him this week? Aquafish talk 23:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm watching this page, but please do e-mail me in the next few days and perhaps we can work this out. Ral315 (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
O.K. Aquafish talk 23:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What is this, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty? Forrest, you've been found out. 'Fess up, man and move on! Guy 23:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, I don t appreciate being called a 'sockpuppet' I find that insulting, and its also incredibly untrue. Forest and I have disagreed with many things in the past, and we have bickered but I am in no way connected to him I want to make that very clear. This is ridiculous Foxearth 23:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But your password is easibly known, for anyone looking to hijack an account. :) Aquafish talk 00:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What does that mean, what have you done to my account? You dare to touch it im taking this further anyway, you wont get away with this. Foxearth 09:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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