Talk:Horned helmet

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anywho ppl anyone one have info on the viking ceremonies? help

they liked to march with torches, with brass bands playing Wagner's Valkyrie. Apart from that, depictions on Scandinavian image stones and Vendel helmet decorations are your best bet. dab (ᛏ) 09:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just the usual - sacrifice the odd virgin at the summer equinox, unnatural acts with rabbits, that sort of thing. PiCo 05:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So far, there is no evidence of any horned helmets during the viking age.

Near East

I'm sure I've seen depictions of horned helmets in Middle Eastern reliefs of soldiers from Egypt and Mesopotamia. If I can remind myself from a dirtworld book a section could be added to the article - cue conspiracy theories. Stevebritgimp (talk) 13:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carnute

Wasn't there a Celtic tribe that heavily worshipped Cernaunos called the Carnute, something about, the horned ones? Wouldn't that be relevent to mention. Also, if the einherjar were reputed to wear horned helmets, wouldn't it be simple to find a reliable source in some history or religious book? Put it back when you find the sources.

Citation needed

Can any source be found for the statement that helmets with large horns were worn in battle during the middle ages, and "especially by the teutonic order"? I mean outside of Medieval - Total War 2? I have doubts. --2.240.59.115 (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The entire section headed "Middle Ages" is very problematic. There is one citation, to a primary source which doesn't back up the claims made (and even if it did, it would be WP:OR), the rest are unsourced speculations of what seems to me to be of very dubious nature. I am inclined to delete this section entirely. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Association with vikings

There's a statement claiming that "horned helmets were used in rituals in germanic iron age until 7th century" with absolutely no support or source for such a claim. Specially considering that all examples of germanic iron age helmets described don't even have horns at all, but bird or snake heads. I think it should be deleted.

The next sentence says that there is no evidence of vikings using such helmets in war. This sentence is misleading, as it might imply that they did use them for rituals or something else not specified, which isn't true either. A much better statement would be that there is no evidence of scandinavians using such helmets at all, period.

After the sentence "The depiction of Vikings in horned helmets was an invention of 19th-century Romanticism.", a reference indicating that Wagner's costume designer Prof. Doepler created horned helmets for the Bayreuth production of "Der Ring der Nibelungen" is given. It is not clear how this reference is meant to support the previous claim. Wagner's interpretation of the Nibelung saga (which is based on the German tradition) has nothing to do with vikings but indeed takes place in what is today Germany, for the most part. Furthermore, the Nibelungs were a royal Burgundian and neither a viking lineage. This mistake can probably attributed to the fact that the reference leads to an article of the Economist, which generally is a bad source (specifically, for historic topics). In conclusion, this part of the text should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.195.103.111 (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified this. I think this article needs a lot of work, but I don't think we should delete sourced material, though I agree the Economist is not the best source in this context.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's been conceded that the article needs work, it might be a good idea to clean up another item: There appears to be a discrepancy between the statement about a 19th-century origin of the horned-helmet-Viking myth and the illustration of a 14th-century Danish coat of arms displaying such a helmet, suggesting the silliness goes back a ways further than the Romantics. Don G Taylor (talk) 04:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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