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that's great, so what is chavismo again? 219.74.57.232 14:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What really is Chavismo?
Well, Chavismo is a kind of Neo-Fascism. Such as Fascism was, Chavismo is: 1-Anti-americanist. 2-Statist. 3-Corrupt. 4-Demagogue. 5-Personalist. 6-Anti-semithist. 7-Militarist. 8-Friend of growing of public spending. 9-A Left's movement. Agre22 (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)agre22
- Wikipedia is not a forum. Do you have sources to support those assertions? JRSP (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
users like agre22 are the same type of editors that edited this page to make the Chavez supporters seem "evil". That was why it was marked as non neutral. I like wikipedia, but this site MUST improve on their neutrality standards if they are to stay successful.
What agenda are users like Agree22 and Zialater are trying to promote!?
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Neutrality
This article is not neutral. It does not say anything about the criticisms to Chavismo, such as its populism and autoritarism Cambalachero (talk) 13:47, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
- it comes across as too critical to me, tbh. the last quote is very obviously a neoliberal opinion piece rather than an actual material analysis of the situation. 109.154.216.60 (talk) 22:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
This was too critical, not talking about the positive but focusing on the negative is one of the pet peeves of this article, it has literally turned into a circle-jerk rant about Chavismo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.141.7 (talk) 18:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- Exactly, a good article needs information on both positive and negative assessments on its subject in order to be unbiased. On that note, a section about "Critical Chavismo" (i.e. dissident Chavistas) would be a good start. Charles Essie (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Paraphrasing vs Block Quotes
Relative to the total content, much of the information is block quotes. Wiki prefers paraphrasing. Something to consider for future edits. --Lucas559 (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Dating commentary (and 'placing' past optimism)
The section Commentary has various quotes, some of which have dates of the commentaries noted. The comment with introduction "The Nation noted on its editorial pages that:" has no date, and is jarring (now) in its positivism. If the date were noted, Dec 2007, the reader would be more likely to place the circumstances for the positive evaluation. Much has happened in the ensuing 10 years... Shenme (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 17 March 2016
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The result of the move request was: No consensus; so leave it for now. Dicklyon (talk) 04:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Chavism → Chavismo – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Charles Essie (talk) 00:47, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- oppose WP:USEENGLISH on English Wikipedia, not Spanish. The English name is "Chavism" while the Spanish name is "Chavismo". Looking at Spanish language for the Common Name is not the correct way to name topics. Otherwise, why not use Cyrillic for Russian topics? -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Chavismo is used in the majority of English-language media.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Charles Essie (talk) 14:25, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Support Chavismo seems to be more commonly used in English language sources than chavism. Plantdrew (talk) 16:11, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- Support. "Chavismo" definitely appears to be the WP:COMMONNAME in English.--Cúchullain t/c 16:40, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- oppose Chavism returns as many hits as chavismo, while plenty of these are Spanish and Portuguese hits. Irxvini (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- All the major media sources use Chavismo. Charles Essie (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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Chavismo
I don't know why they seem to think otherwise, but I think we had consensus to move. Charles Essie (talk) 23:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Charles Essie: Significantly, the page was originally at Chavismo and then moved to Chavism without discussion. I was able to undo this move. The argument that high-quality English-language sources use Chavismo I find compelling. Also, Chavism looks strange, as it could easily be taken to refer to the chav phenomenon instead. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Florian Blaschke: It appears that this article has been moved back. We might have no choice but to start another move discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- I've moved it back, again. Berty688 had missed or ignored my argument that the original move – from Chavismo to Chavism – had already been invalid because it had happened without discussion; therefore the status quo is Chavismo. This was also not recognised in the discussion above. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Florian Blaschke: It appears that this article has been moved back. We might have no choice but to start another move discussion. Charles Essie (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
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Marxism/Communism
No mention of either. This article needs a complete overhaul. Gabrielthursday (talk) 03:40, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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