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In the "Causes" section. "A transmissible disease will spread easily in such conditions" (reason: Grammar, remove the will, it's in the past, not in the future). 69.165.196.103 (talk) 02:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- The sentence is correct as it is. Rmhermen (talk) 03:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: Resulting sentence "A transmissible disease spread easily in such conditions" is grammatically incorrect. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:09, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: Your change makes the sentence grammatically incorrect. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 13:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- "spread" is the correct past tense of the verb, so I don't see what makes it incorrect. Keeping "will" is certainly incorrect, however, as the sentence is supposed to be in that past tense, not the future. Maybe "Transmissible diseases spread easily in such conditions"? 69.165.196.103 (talk) 21:04, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: Your change makes the sentence grammatically incorrect. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 13:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Discuss 21:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Neither construction is grammatically incorrect. However, the current wording is satisfactory because it's referring to something that happens if certain conditions are met. In such cases, the "will spread" construction merely signifies probability or inevitability, rather than being indicative of the future tense per se. This is standard, idiomatic English. RivertorchFIREWATER 21:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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The second mod (corrected formatting) doesn't work. Apuldram (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
East Smithfield
The results of the Haensch study have since been confirmed and amended. Based on genetic evidence derived from Black Death victims in the East Smithfield burial site in England, Schuenemann et al. concluded in 2011 "that the Black Death in medieval Europe was caused by a variant of Y. pestis that may no longer exist."[41] A study published in Nature in October 2011 sequenced the genome of Y. pestis from plague victims and indicated that the strain that caused the Black Death is ancestral to most modern strains of the disease.[5]
DNA taken from 25 skeletons ...
The first and third sentence (and possibly the second) refer to the East Smithfield burial site. The first and third sentences appear to contradict each other (although the first is qualified with the word "may"). I think that the article would be improved if a authoritative paper summarising the finds about the site was used that assess and clarifies what the most recent thoughts are now that the 2011 research is six years old. If this was done the 2011 papers could be removed. -- PBS (talk) 09:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Poland affected
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Hi, the article says: "The plague was somewhat less common in parts of Europe that had smaller trade relations with their neighbours, including the Kingdom of Poland". This is incorrect. E.g. Kraków/Cracow - the capital at the time - had the biggest commercial market square in the medieval Europe and was a major commercial hub of Eeas-West and North-South trade routes to the Baltics, Asia, Africa etc. Despite being far inland (though by a amjor river) it was even part of the Hansa League. The main reason for plague having a lesser effect on Poland was that King Casimir the Great (not a random name) established quarantines at the borders and of the cities. Cited source: e.g. already mentioned: [1]
"During Kazimierz's reign, the Black Death, a pandemic infection, swept across Europe, killing millions. But Poland established quarantines at its borders, and the plague skirted Poland almost entirely."
Please change:
FROM:
"The plague was somewhat less common in parts of Europe that had smaller trade relations with their neighbours, including the Kingdom of Poland, the majority of the Basque Country, isolated parts of Belgium and the Netherlands, and isolated alpine villages throughout the continent."
TO:
"The plague was somewhat less common in parts of Europe that had smaller trade relations with their neighbours, including the majority of the Basque Country, isolated parts of Belgium and the Netherlands, and isolated alpine villages throughout the continent. The Kingdom of Poland experienced a much lesser effect due to King Casimir the Great establishing quarantines at the borders and isolation of the cities."
Pawel777 (talk) 22:39, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- Partly done: I just removed the Kingdom of Poland from the sentence. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
- For the sentence you request: " The Kingdom of Poland experienced a much lesser effect due to King Casimir the Great establishing quarantines at the borders and isolation of the cities" please provide a verifiable reliable source, preferably in English, but with a translation if not. Apuldram (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
- ^ Zuchora-Walske, Christine, Poland, North Mankato: ABDO Publishing, 2013.
What about flat areas North of Mountains and anabatic and katabatic winds?
Maybe we need to look at this from a behavioral perspective. Maybe the flees and other vermin(what proof is there that it was just flees?) preferred the shadow of the mountains. Maybe they didn't like certain kinds of anabatic and katabatic solar winds. Source: Look at a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.76.124.97 (talk) 15:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does not publish wp:original research - see: wp:verifiability. Richerman (talk) 23:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
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