Talk:Goop (company)

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Merge with Gwyneth Paltrow?

Various gossip-columns talking about Goop's controversies aside, I don't see any case for independent notability. The article feels partially promotional, and partially a hit-list of media attacks; neither is the basis of an encyclopedia article. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The company is getting substantial coverage in reliable sources, and meets WP:GNG. true, because of Paltrow's status with the company, she's constantly mentioned in conjunction with it, but the founder and the company are distinct entities. TJRC (talk) 00:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources include Fortune, The Guardian, The New York TImes, and The Washington Post. The company has received millions in venture funding, has a board, and a previous chief executive independent of Paltrow who departed and then returned to the company. Apple isn't any more a sub-section of Steve Jobs' page than Goop is a sub-section of Gwyneth Paltrow's page. A more appropriate analog, though, would be Martha Stewart (the person) and Martha Stewart Omnimedia (the lifestyle company).

The fact that the sources are largely negative is, I suppose, the nature of the company. It is a controversial company that advocates for things that are defined in Wikipedia as being controversial. In writing the article, I looked long and hard for sources and this is what I found. The only things I found that were not critical of the company had to do with the previous CEO, a new round of venture funding, and the moving of the company from New York to Los Angeles. If you have any additional material, I welcome it.

In citing the sources, I was very careful and very selective. Too many articles simply refer to other articles, rehashes that say the same thing. I found original sources and noted, in almost every case, that it was reported by multiple media outlets, making it not only newsworthy but worthy enough to note in Wikipedia. Rburriel (talk) 04:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Goop WP:RSs

Here's a link to the archive of the discussion we had on Talk:Gwyneth Paltrow about Goop and its critics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gwyneth_Paltrow/Archive_1#Is_Gwyneth_Paltrow_Wrong_About_Everything.3F

I thought that a discussion of Goop and its critics met all the WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT requirements to belong on the Gwyneth Paltrow page, but 2 editors (who outnumbered me) kept deleting it. I'm glad to see a separate page about Goop with the controversy, but I think that WP:NPOV requires at least a paragraph of criticism on the Gwyneth Paltrow page. Separate pages on controversies usually get a hundredth of the views that the original page gets, and they arguably violate WP:POVFORK.

I think we should keep the Goop (company) page, but add a summary of criticism to the Gwyneth Paltrow page. I would do it myself, but not if the Gwyneth Paltrow editors keep owning the page and deleting all criticism. --Nbauman (talk) 17:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed! It is already on my long list of things to do. RobP (talk) 19:17, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Nbauman: Done. Check it out. RobP (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SYNTH problems

One of the sources has been formatted as if it was from Goop in the article (using the cite web parameter website=Goop), but instead was from cancer.org and didn't mention Goop or Paltrow at all. In addition to this, a source used to cite "Some have characterized Goop's claims as "ludicrous and tantamount to fraud"." only discusses an expert invited onto Goop, not Goop itself. I have removed these from this article because I think this use does not meet WP:SYNTH. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 04:57, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"PR" material

@Jytdog: Hi. I recently added some information about awards, and the edit was reverted as "PR stuff". The statement was properly sourced, to the best of my knowledge, so I don't quite understand the issue here. Please correct me if I am wrong with my approach? Thank you. 50.97.66.163 (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

yes this is PR stuff, sourced to the primary source of the award. Not particularly encyclopedic. Jytdog (talk) 13:09, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I thought appropriate sources are third-party articles? Does this refer only to articles in the press, and not primary sources? Thanks for your response! 169.45.136.212 (talk) 08:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sources were not third party - they were both from the awarding organization. Jytdog (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see. So if the awards had been reported by an unrelated third party- that would be the correct type of source? Good info. Thanks for clarifying.169.45.136.213 (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Caulfield Criticism

@Jytdog: @Hob Gadling:Thanks for your help with this. Trying to understand why a source written by the subject himself is considered valid? Also, his statements focus on celebrities like Paltrow and their ridiculous claims, but don't directly involve goop. Choosing a title after the founder makes it relevant, but still a stretch, I think. 169.54.92.150 (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]