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Can someone update the map to show the merger? --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Criticalthinker: There were no merging, there where not even a dissolution of the former municipality [1]. It was most a change in the composition municipal council, who now include the Cree comunities, a change of nome to Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government, and the lost of the administration of the Category II land, who represent 70000 km². Note that in frwiki, we simply renamed Baie-James to the actual name of the municipality ad create a article for the council, who is linked to this article. --Fralambert (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The first paragraph literally reads:

"On July 24, 2012, the Quebec government signed an accord with the Cree that resulted in the abolition of the local municipality of Baie-James and the Cree Eeyou Istchee TE to create the a new and combined TE of Eeyou Istchee James Bay Territory."

--Criticalthinker (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You know, Jamésie and Eeyou Istchee Equivalent territories always exist. --Fralambert (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You don't understand. Those are statistical divisons. They don't exist as municipalities or seperate local governments, anymore. How do I know more than you about this? --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:39, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well they existe as separated municipalities, since like the Act say: [2]: « The Regional Government’s territory is comprised of the territory of Municipalité de Baie-James as it existed on 31 December 2013, with the exception of the Category II lands. » Anyway, the map of the administrative division of Quebec are here. --Fralambert (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, they do not exists as seperate, lower-level municipalities, anymore. That's the whole point. They were abolished and a new TE-level government took over. There is no more government for Baie-James; Baie-James is no longer an individual lower-level municipality. The very interactive map you linked me to clearly shows when you selected the Municipalités (MUN) layer, that the new municipality is "Gouvernement régional d'Eeyou Istchee Baie-James." Why you keep insisting this against all evidence, I don't know, but I'm done with this ridiculousness. If anyone else is interested in my original request, that would be great. Otherwise, you can stop responding. Thanks. Literally from the regional government's website explaining the set-up:
"In order to implement the Agreement on Governance in the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Territory between the Crees of Eeyou Istchee and the Gouvernement du Québec, the Act establishing the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government was adopted and assented to in June 2013.
In particular, this Act provided for the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government (Regional Government) to come into force on January 1, 2014, thereby replacing the Municipalité de Baie-James (MBJ)."
Baie-James is nothing more than a statistical division, same with the Eeyou Istchee TE. It does not existing as a local government, nor does Eeyou Istchee exist as a TE regional government, anymore. Whereas the independent local municipalities do still exist as seperate local governments below the TE regional government level. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so I did some more research into this, and here is what I came up with concerning the history and current status of EIJBT.
1. Prior to 2007, There was a single TE-level division that covered this entire territory: Jamésie. At the local municiapl level Jamésie included the current four villes, the current cree village municipalities and their associated reserved lands, the one current réserve indienne, and finally the single municipalité of Baie-James, which covered the vast majority of the territory. This means that the entire territory of the TE was covered by local municipalities/municipalités locales.
2. In November 2007, the local Cree village municipalities and their associated reserve lands (not sure if they existed as local municipalities prior to this date, or where simply unorganized communities within Baie-James Municipality; maybe someone can clear that up) seperated from Jamésie TE to form the Eeyou Istchee TE. So from this date onward, the Jamésie TE included the local municipalities of including the four villes and then the municiaplity of Baie-James.
3. In July of 2012, to give the Cree a regional voice on lands outside of their geographically scattered and relatively small TE of Eeyou Istchee (which was governed regionally by the Grand Council of the Crees) and their local cree village municipalities and reserved lands (which were governed by locally elected chiefs) and the one réserve indienne, the representatives of the TEs of Jamésie and Eeyou Istchee signed an accord by which these two TEs were merged into the combined Eeyou Istchee James Bay TE which now had a regional-level government, thereby abolishing the local municipality of Baie-James.
In closing, what resulted from that merger and abolition was 1. that the residents of the Municipalité de Baie-James lost local municipality status, and are now governed directly at the regional/territorial level by the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government, and 2. all the other local municipalities still exist to carry out local governance, which include the Cree village and reserved lands, the one indian reserve, and the four villes.
I guess the problem comes in in that the French version of this page seems to state that EIJB is both a TE with a regional government and a municipalité locale with a local government. It can't be both, right? EIJB is a TE and not a municipalité locale, correct? And, how this all relates back to my request for a new map for the infobox is that if it's a local government, the map would have to show the enclaved local governments excluded. If it's a TE with a regional government - which seems the most likely case - then you wouldn't show anything excluded since the regional government includes all of the local governments of the former Jamésie TE. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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