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Can someone update the map to show the merger? --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Criticalthinker: There were no merging, there where not even a dissolution of the former municipality [1]. It was most a change in the composition municipal council, who now include the Cree comunities, a change of nome to Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government, and the lost of the administration of the Category II land, who represent 70000 km². Note that in frwiki, we simply renamed Baie-James to the actual name of the municipality ad create a article for the council, who is linked to this article. --Fralambert (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The first paragraph literally reads:

"On July 24, 2012, the Quebec government signed an accord with the Cree that resulted in the abolition of the local municipality of Baie-James and the Cree Eeyou Istchee TE to create the a new and combined TE of Eeyou Istchee James Bay Territory."

--Criticalthinker (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You know, Jamésie and Eeyou Istchee Equivalent territories always exist. --Fralambert (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You don't understand. Those are statistical divisons. They don't exist as municipalities or seperate local governments, anymore. How do I know more than you about this? --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:39, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well they existe as separated municipalities, since like the Act say: [2]: « The Regional Government’s territory is comprised of the territory of Municipalité de Baie-James as it existed on 31 December 2013, with the exception of the Category II lands. » Anyway, the map of the administrative division of Quebec are here. --Fralambert (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, they do not exists as seperate, lower-level municipalities, anymore. That's the whole point. They were abolished and a new TE-level government took over. There is no more government for Baie-James; Baie-James is no longer an individual lower-level municipality. The very interactive map you linked me to clearly shows when you selected the Municipalités (MUN) layer, that the new municipality is "Gouvernement régional d'Eeyou Istchee Baie-James." Why you keep insisting this against all evidence, I don't know, but I'm done with this ridiculousness. If anyone else is interested in my original request, that would be great. Otherwise, you can stop responding. Thanks. Literally from the regional government's website explaining the set-up:
"In order to implement the Agreement on Governance in the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Territory between the Crees of Eeyou Istchee and the Gouvernement du Québec, the Act establishing the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government was adopted and assented to in June 2013.
In particular, this Act provided for the Eeyou Istchee James Bay Regional Government (Regional Government) to come into force on January 1, 2014, thereby replacing the Municipalité de Baie-James (MBJ)."
Baie-James is nothing more than a statistical division, same with the Eeyou Istchee TE. It does not existing as a local government, nor does Eeyou Istchee exist as a TE regional government, anymore. Whereas the independent local municipalities do still exist as seperate local governments below the TE regional government level. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so I did some more research into this, particularly reading the French pages, and here is what I came up with concerning the history and current status of EIJBT.
1. It does, in fact, appear that the entire concept of EIJBT on the English-language articles is incorrect. Whereas it's been understood on the English pages that EIJBT is a TE, it's territory is on the same level as the local municipalities (the Cree villages and associated lands, and the four villes). EIJBT and its associated government isn't juridictionally "above" the local municipalities, and thus isn't the equivalent of a regional county municipality. So, right there, I need to rewrite this page to make clear that the local municipalities aren't a part of or included in EIJBT.
2. Since EIJBT is not a TE, that means that Jamésie TE and Eeyou Istchee TE still very much exist. As the English-language articles are now written, they specifically say that these two TEs were abolished with the creation of EIJBT's regional government. This is not the case. Jamésie TE includes the territory of the four villes and the former territory of the Municipalité de Baie-James. The Eeyou Istchee TE exists exactly as it has since its creation in 2007.
3. So, in closing, the only thing the agreement changed is that 1.) the former Municipalité de Baie-James was, indeed, abolished in favor of an almost agglomeration-type local government - which is named a "regional" government - which is overseen by the residents living in the two TEs, and 2.) the two TE and their local municipalities exist as they always did. The only difference with the creation of the EIJBT Regional Government is that it gives the Cree a bit more say over lands outside their non-contiguous and scattered Eeyou Istchee TE. They now have a bit more say over certain lands in the Jamésie TE outside the four villes.
Let me sincerely apologize to you Fralambert for being unnnecessarily rude. I had just gotten frustrated that no one from Quebec seemed interested in helping me with this and I lashed out. I believe now I understand the organization of the local governments (and EIJBT Regional Government) in this section of Nord-Quebec. I would be more than happy to go back through all of the pages I changed thinking I was correcting them and actually correct them, now, as well as the pages other English-language people wrote that turned out not to be correct. Let me know if I got anything incorrect in my explanation. --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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