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Groups of children

The accusations has nothing to do with the groups of children; among other things, I fixed that.--Patrick 10:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cleaned up article...again

I have cleaned up this article for the second time in less than a day. Much of the information presented in this article before my first attempt at revision was not written very concisely and wasn't very readable. I attempted to fix this yesterday, but virtually all of my edits were reverted and the article went back to being cumbersome and confusing. I have had to cleanup the article again. As it stands now, the article is quite neutral and certainly far easier to read and understand. I would invite other users to discuss just exactly what, if anything, is specifically wrong with my edits before simply reverting them again. I don't have an agenda for or against Jackson, I just want to make the article easier to understand and I want it to comply better with generally accepted Wikipedia and grammatical standards.--MatthewUND 23:10, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up of article

I attempted to section the content, copyedit the text, identify needed citations, and added an infobox for quick reference. Avi 03:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is written like a B- term paper. Doesn't anybody on this site have their work proofread before posting for the whole world to see? I cleaned up a few of the more offensive gramatical errors.

Basic grammar

When the statement being made is about a situation in the past that actually occurred (not a hypothetical situation), then was is for singular subjects, and were is for plural.

"Most of the staff was dismissed" is incorrect because the staff consists of many people, therefore "were" is used.

"Most of the staff were dismissed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.183.207.94 (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of accusations?

What, on Earth, is the point of adding a mention of accusations against Michael Jackson in this article? The accusations themselves have very little to do with the home, so what's the point of adding them? Stiles 04:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed unsourced statements until they can be verified

I removed two statements that had no sources. They are:

  1. Golf carts are provided as transportation and fun rides.
  2. Its geographic location is 34°44′22″N 120°5′36″W / 34.73944°N 120.09333°W / 34.73944; -120.09333.

Unless someone can provide references for these claims, I will leave them here. I have made great effort to provide sources almost every single thing in the article, and I felt that these statements should be removed until they can be verified. They are not of great importance, but it would be the right thing to do. Stiles 18:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick provided the following reason on the talk page for putting back #2: "coords can simply be verified by following the map links." He also added a reference for the golf cart comment. That makes this discussion point obsolete, because it has been resolved. Stiles 04:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Time to remove unreferenced tag.

With all the effort I put in to reference almost every single thing in the article, there is no need for the unreferenced tag. Since there is almost nothing left that is unreferenced, the tag is not appropriate. For the rest, others will have to help out, because what I couldn't reference, either doesn't have a reference or can't be found with adequate research on the Internet. I know Patrick put back the unreferenced tag, though seemingly for no reason. I'll remove it once again unless there's a reasonable objection. Stiles 06:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It did not put the tag because I thought it was needed, it came with a reversion of a deletion of content on the grounds that it was unreferenced. I removed it now.--Patrick 06:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Entertainment Today is hardly a "News Program"

I know that this is a minor issue, but I hardly consider "Entertainment Today" to be a legitimate "news program". This suggests that Entertainment Today is like the Nightly News or other trusted sources when it is less than reliable. Perhaps Entertainment Today should be cited as any other television program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.62.12 (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sale

I added this latest on sale of ranch, since he is no longer the owner and the auction is off: On May 12, 2008, a foreclosure auction for Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch was cancelled after an investment company, Colony Capital LLC purchased the loan. Jackson was in default on the £ 12 / $24.5 million he owes on the 2,500-acre.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk, Jacko ranch foreclosure auction off Jackson stated: "I am pleased with recent developments involving Neverland Ranch and I am in discussions with Colony and Tom Barrack with regard to the Ranch and other matters that would allow me to focus on the future."take40.com, Jackson sells Neverlandap.google.com, Neverland Ranch foreclosure auction canceled --Florentino floro (talk) 07:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added a reference to an article written by longtime S.Y. Valley resident William Etling, regarding the November sign-over and immediate removal of rides. Also an external link to my Flickr page [1] where I've added some new aerial photos. Please let me know if you'd like to use anything from this new set, and I'll be happy to post them to Wiki Commons with CCAttrib for inclusion in the MJ/Neverland article(s). I'll probably be out that way again in a month or two for aerials of the wildflower bloom, and could get new photos then if that's helpful. Maybe something showing the ranch in context with nearby hillsides in bloom? Post to my talk page if you have a photo request, since I seldom check here. Jw4nvc (talk) 06:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where did Jackson live recently?

At Neverland again? If it wasn't his property anymore, how come he died there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.131.187 (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't die there. See see Michael Jackson for info about where he lived after leaving the ranch, and Death of Michael Jackson for information about where he died. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was lots of talk locally about him being buried there, and of possibly turning Neverland into a theme park (neither came to pass). Also lots of activity there since his death, both outside the gate and around the mansion, including some mysterious helicopter landings after the "media day" (Nightline, Larry King, et al) when I happened to last fly over. I thought about adding an aerial photo or two on those topics, but the page seems a bit photo-heavy to me. On the other hand, the pictures add a lot of context. I'm curious if they'll be deleted, and whether anyone will suggesting adding more. Jw4nvc (talk) 04:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So who DOES own Neverland now?

Pretty self explanatory as Jackson seemed to owe a fair amount of money and he stated that he was not returning. All the news reports have been mentioning 'the new owners'. Who are they? Douglasnicol (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the reports are referring to the Sycamore Valley Ranch Co, which bought the property last year. Who owns SVRC is something that will be sorted out as MJ's estate goes through probate. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It seemed that MJ still had at least a part ownership in the place through that company. The whole explanation sounds like holding or shell companies though I may be wrong. Douglasnicol (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article covers this. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please look into findin source that the Michael jackson Estate Owns 83% of neverland and colonial captital 17% - Colonial is resposible for upkeep of the house and grounds. The ownership of Estate was reported in their last public financial statement for probate. They also publically stated it is not for sale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.136.231 (talk) 16:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What the inside of Neverland Ranch looks like

I've discovered what the inside of Neverland Ranch looks like. Here's the link. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 03:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should we consider adding these images to this article or linking to them ? StephenBHedges (talk) 15:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's already under External links. We can't add images to a Wikipedia article without the owner's permission. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Emboldened heading?

I removed the bold element from the heading for "Financial status". It was added in February. If it is preferred, please change it back, and leave a reply here as to why that is. I couldn't figure it out. --マイキ (talk) 04:50, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Late April movement on Neverland

Michael's three children are involved in staffing and restoring more parts of the property, according this this NYDailyNews article: http://nydn.us/17QajdN

  • As much as I don't like the idea of a tabloid source, it provides recent pictures of refurbished sections of Neverland (Main Station, Butterfly flowers where stage used to be, movie theater and adjacent carnival ride grounds, and ariel shot of central irrigated and mowed section of property where the main house and guest units are) and is the first substantiated Neverland news for months; perhaps consider for inclusion. If another, more reliable source comes out with a similar story we can always use that source, but until now the one above is all available. The final image of present-day Neverland, showing the greenery thanks to newly installed irrigation systems is magnificent. Mc8755 (talk) 17:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Update - It seems Michael's children may have had far less of an input into Neverland's restoration and maintenance as the article indicates. Colony Capital have stated they are the ones who are carrying out renovations and caring for the property, and have been improving it since mid-2010. I suspect NYDailyNews used Prince, Paris and Blanket's names to get more hits for their story. All the same, the images associated are as recent as this month. Mc8755 (talk) 15:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership of Neverland

Sorry to post another section right after my first, but currently the article states that "Sycamore Valley Ranch Company, LLC" owns Neverland and source concurs with that, though I have no idea where they are getting that information from. Michael relinquished control of the property to prevent a default in his name on loans against Neverland, but never gave up a majority stake. Below are the documents legally filed by Michael Jackson's Estate - they were filed August 10th 2012. They specify that MJ Estate owns 87.5% undivided stake in Neverland, and Colony Capital LLC owns the remaining share. (Undivided means that although MJ Estate owns a majority share, each of the two parties get an equal say in what happens with the property and can't overrule one another. It basically prevents either person from selling or using the property against financial credit in the future). Per California law, Michael Jackson's Estate must inherit his debt upon his death, and as such entered probate until debts were written off, which is supposed to have occurred in the last six months. That means that the Estate couldn't relinquish control of Neverland even if they wanted to, because they would need a judge's approval and considering they were exiting debt, giving up a multi-million dollar property would be nonsensical. Thus, it should be noted Neverland Ranch is jointly owned by The Michael Jackson Estate and Colony Capital, LLC.

Seems a little skimp on information

How come there isn't a section talking about what is/was on the property, obviously when Jackson lived there. I am sure there are a ton of reliable sources out there to make a section about the amusement park, zoo, and other random things.Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

history of the building

Does anyone know when the estate was built? --91.57.0.201 (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Coordinate error

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34.741438,-120.092653

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 Done, adjusted a bit to location of main residence. Deor (talk) 14:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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