User talk:S-Ranger

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Comments on Toronto talk page

Hi there. I hope this doesn't seem rude - it's not intended that way. Could you make your comments more concise? Some editors (like me) have thousands of articles on their watchlists, so trying to read a number of extremely long comments really slows us down. You seem to make some valid points, but you then wrap them in irrelevant statements (eg: "but it's confederate, so the "Ontario" medieval parliamentary elected dictatorship's "GTA thing" doesn't exist there" and "StatsCan't"). Just stick to what you want to discuss, so the discussion can flow more smoothly - you're also likelier to get more responses that way. (BTW: I notice you've cleaned up some of the comments already -thanks!)

Anyway, I'll try to respond to your concerns when I get a chance in the next few days. I think you asked about some of the tables in the demographics section - although the editors that added the info used a reliable source, they didn't seem to cite it. For example, StatsCan released tables for ethnic origin for major urban areas (based on 20% sample rates, in this case). A whole bunch of other tables are available, with data by CMA, CD, or CSD (eg: Ethnocultural Portrait of Canada; here's a short list of other tables). I do wish StatsCan released more info for free. Mindmatrix 16:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Mindmatrix. I had no idea that anyone but those who specifically went to talk pages would get anything but summaries of changes as in the history lists. Actually not even that much occurred to me because I only look at a few pages for editing purposes, not watchlists, so I assumed someone would have to go to the article in question, click on 'discussion' and read its talk page (and skip over anything that doesn't interest them; which should be the case; how many lines or characters of text you want to see in summaries, with a default of 4 lines or the like, then "..." then click on it to read more).

And sorry for the late, um, "reply" because it's not very clear how to go about responding to, sort of internal personal messages here. I didn't think I should stick it on your talk page, didn't think anyone would ever find any reply here, so still have no clue what to do, but others seem to be responding to posts directly on their own talk pages, so I guess that's how it's done. I hope no "snubbing" or any other offense was or is taken. Not new to Wikipedia, not new to "coding" (but in proper languages with proper reference manuals), I spent, well ask my wife how many evenings over how many weeks reading everything in the intros to Wikipedia but it's full of errors as with everything else around here, it seems. --S-Ranger

I happened to be the one who put the Centre of the Universe name into the article with its surrounding weasel words. It is something that people outside the city do call Toronto (and not a few inside in an ironic manner). I resent being called "hick" when I live firmly inside the boundaries of the City of Toronto. Your rather excessive response to the term is precisely why some of our more rural citizens find us to be rather overbearing and repellent. Dabbler 00:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Dabbler. [Um, it just means hello, please to make your acquantance, etc.] Then I guess my point was made. I don't care what anyone happens to "think" about anything (just unbiased truth as close as is possible with basicaly free information for the public domain) and certainly not around an encyclopedia. It matters not who happens to call Newfies stupid welfare bums (their premier, most often, hyper-reacting to any comment regarding simple realities that they can't dispute -- so they throw smokeballs around mirrors to try to turn it into "poor, poor them" and invent nothing that was ever said by anyone but themselves) or, hell, look the word hick up at Dictionary.com: "provincial" and need I say more?

I didn't call you a hick. If you think I did then you imagined it, because I have no clue in the world who you even are. In the Centre of the Universe section of the City of Toronto's talk page, someone else had already removed "Centre of the Universe" (look it up in the history), then:

There is a source which clearly does imply that Toronto in a negative term is known as the "center of the universe". With that said I'm adding it among the nicknames Editor18

created the aforesaid section on the talk page with a squash club as some "verification", stating that s/he/it (a handle; it could be students testing some "artificial intelligence" software) was going to stick "Centre of the Universe" back up and then, well perhaps you should read the section.

And if hicks don't like being called hicks then they can stop acting like them and can also get a lesson out of DISCRIMINATION BASED ON NOTHING -- and that it pisses people off and the ONLY reason ever given for (as if the section is even needed, Toronto nicknames; in an encyclopedia no less) Centre of the Universe as being "legitimate" is that it is clearly derogatory -- which is called discrimimation.

If it's "okay" by Wikipedia that we all post derogatory crap in articles, nothing but discrimination, then guess what happens when we start shooting back? I don't care if you happen to find Centre of the Universe to be discriminatory, it is clearly the ONLY INTENTION of it (and as usual, a lame hick attempt, which is clearly stated in the Globe and Mail article, from 1994 no less, that "Thylark" put on the talk page, likely violating copyright, in an OP-ED that makes fun of the "Toronto-bashers" for being so lame that they can't even come up with a decent term that "stings" and if you want to see bashing, you'll see plenty of it if Center of the Universe ever shows up on the WRONG PAGE ANYWAY.

Or do you have "official maps" of the Toronto area documenting how, where and why invisible lines between west, west Toronto (former municipality of Etobicoke, west) and east Mississauga? Or across Steeles Ave or across or in the Rouge? Where or why does the "Centre of the Universe" begin and end in 2006 and if you prove it, we'll have whatever you use for proof up on charges of discrimimation in a Toronto minute (about a month due to the fact that our municipal revenues are stolen by the "Ontario" feds, as "Ontario's" federal revenues generated are stolen by the confederate feds; for nothing in return but endless bitching and moaning, so best of luck to them both).

BIAS has no place in an encyclopedia, let alone nothing but blatant discrimination; even though it's a joke (because the hicks of the Canadas are a joke and many, many studies prove so, but use different words), it's all it is. All I need is Statistics Canada and Finance Canada to prove the utter insanity of "Canada" (which Canada?) on every level imaginable. And no one will be able to dispute any of it, it will be the unbiased simple truth and the unbiased simple truth is not something that "Canadians" like to hear about -- but too bad for them.

And until they get some brains out there, which requires brains in here (the Windsor-Quebec City corridor or even the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal corridor will do; with the U.S. of course, not that they have to do or say anything, just show the usual indifference because they are as fed up with the insults to the words medieval political DISASTERS of systems and structures in the poor, poor Canadas), who cares what they think they have to say about anything? And so what if they don't like it? Who cares what "they think" causes it? They have no care in the world about Toronto, so why would anyone in Toronto give a rat's ass about them? And they started this crap with their total obliviousness, hearsay based on rumors they also invented, not us.

Toronto has been far too accommodating to the Ontarios and Canadas, in every way imaginable, for far too long. But that's just political reality to stick in the Politics section. The Ontarios (south) have been far too accomodating to the Canadas for far too long and it's over. The political boneheads are either going to fall in line with the demands the (suddenly, quite south) Ontario Chamber of Commerce (backed by everything imaginable in all of the Canadas including the Canadian Chamber of Commerce -- just not the political boneheads yet because they have some "Canada" thing to try to market their bullshit to), where it counts at the business level here and in the U.S.

If you haven't kept up on it, well whenever I get a chance to flame the asses of the rest of these pathetic "federation", with skids of verifiable documentation to back it all up, you'll know all about it and it won't be discrimination, it'll be the simple truth -- something that "Canadians" don't like to hear about much because it all looks and is pretty bad on all of them outside the few city-regions in the Windsor-Quebec City corridor (with 60% of the population/markets of the Canadas and over 60% of its wealth, combined with about 15% from the Lower Mainland-south Vancouver Island, expanded somewhat in some areas, cut in others as with the W-QCC) and then we've got about 70% of the markets in the Canadas and about 75% of its wealth to form another economic union with, get the hicks with the primary-based economies out of our faces and best of luck to them all with their endless loops of complaint in gripe-fests after that, becuse the only people they'll be able to blame for anything (as always) is themselves. It'll just be crystal clear. --S-Ranger 07:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me?

Making one revert is not an edit war. I gave what I consider to be good enough evidence to back up Brampton's estimates (that they jive with the province's estimates). That we do not agree on what is significant enough evidence is perhaps an issue for an RfC. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 17:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what's going on, Osgoode, but you are taking things that are public and assuming that they are directed at you. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular when I made the edit and edit comment. I hadn't even checked the history yet, and it still wouldn't have mattered, it doesn't refer to you. I don't know how an edit comment became an email to you. ;-) But I don't know how this is "to you" either given that everything around here is public.

And all the province provides is Peel: and you don't even have a source for Caledon and there is no source (nothing verifiable) for Mississauga either. --S-Ranger 20:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comments made in edit summaries when reverting someone generally will be understood by the person being reverted to be directed towards them. Who else would you be telling to not edit war but the one you're reverting? _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 20:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did not "revert" anything. I simply edited the page. --S-Ranger 22:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Census metropolitan area etc

Hi S-Ranger,
Thanks for your input to the above! You may be perturbed to find this page has now become a redirect to Census geographic units of Canada; however, "Don't Panic!", as:

You should find your edits here and here as part of Census geographic units of Canada#Census metropolitan areas;
Your edit here duplicated in {{Census metropolitan areas by size}} (the template replacing the table in the former CMA article);
Your hard work here now copied here and here.

Hope all this correct. I'm intrigued to see what might result from your work as (1) I'm not Canadian, so (2) know only too well that I'm not expert in this area! Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for all the info, David. It's strange because I'm still editing the census metropolitan area page by just entering that in a wiki-search, I end up right at the census metropolitan area article, talk page and everything seems quite normal. There are also lots of references to census metropolitan area and CMA in articles, but I'll try to figure out what you mean above (I know what a redirect is, I'm just not sure why anything has been or has to be copied; I'll have to look at the links you provided to get a clue).

And thanks for the input. I've got lots more to do with the table but do need a talk page that has some traffic on it for input and perhaps some help. :-) --S-Ranger 23:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...It's strange because I'm still editing the census metropolitan area page by just entering that in a wiki-search, I end up right at the census metropolitan area article...

That's odd; you should find yourself redirected to Census geographic units of Canada and one of the templates at the bottom of that page should be the list of {{Census metropolitan areas by size}}... Drop me a note if you're still finding you're not being redirected... Yours, David (talk) 23:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. You meant just redirected. I had the page open (talk in one, the article in another) in two browser instances and still do, but I'll close them and I tried census metropolitan area in a wiki-search and ended up at a page I've never seen. Thanks for the personal notification. I would have ended up quite confused and am working offline (Wikipedia; I only need Statistics Canada and my handy text editor, which unfortunately doesn't have syntax highlighting for wiki-code) but probably would have saved my last changes to those pages, then had no clue what had happened, if I ever got off the pages I was on before I was finished... so thanks much. I hope the template is better than the unbelievably horrible table I was going to re-write. --S-Ranger 00:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glad the change didn't cause any confusion. Re the table, you could make it into (or add to or convert) a "List of..." article, then add a link to it from the {{Census metropolitan areas by size}} template, the Census geographical units of Canada article and any other relevant article you know/find. .. A neat way to do so might be to reclaim one of the redirects I made. Regards, David (talk) 04:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]